Identical numbers

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Somebody once told me, if you don't have the guts to make that call at the middle school/JV level, what makes you think others will have confidence in you to do it at the varsity level?

I think this is off.

In football, we ignore illegal or duplicate numbers at lower levels. We're strict at the varsity level. Has nothing to do with guts, but the realization that they get hand-me-down uniforms and everyone gets that and nobody cares about being strict with it.

In hoops, I would be the same way at certain levels. Know the audience and the customer. JV? Middle ground.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

In football, we ignore illegal or duplicate numbers at lower levels. We're strict at the varsity level. Has nothing to do with guts, but the realization that they get hand-me-down uniforms ...

Same here with basketball junior varsity, and freshman, uniforms, illegal we will let go, but duplicates are fixed with a little athletic tape.

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[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same here with basketball junior varsity, and freshman, uniforms, illegal we will let go, but duplicates are fixed with a little athletic tape.

The "home team must wear white" is only enforced at the varsity level here. Undershirt rules are enforced at all levels (religious exceptions notwithstanding), and illegal/duplicate numbers are fixed with tape. In my OP, the team didn't want to fix it at all.

I'm inclined to agree with Rich's sentiment (we're far more looser in soccer), but unfortunately, not everyone thinks that way.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think this is off.

In football, we ignore illegal or duplicate numbers at lower levels. We're strict at the varsity level. Has nothing to do with guts, but the realization that they get hand-me-down uniforms and everyone gets that and nobody cares about being strict with it.

In hoops, I would be the same way at certain levels. Know the audience and the customer. JV? Middle ground.


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However, duplicate numbers is a fixable issue which has a tremendous chance of creating a huge headache during the game when you get into an unsolvable argument over which 32 got the foul in the second quarter and there's no way the star player has fouled out.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

However, duplicate numbers is a fixable issue which has a tremendous chance of creating a huge headache during the game when you get into an unsolvable argument over which 32 got the foul in the second quarter and there's no way the star player has fouled out.

JV games don't have star players.


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[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Rich

JV games don't have star players.


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Will you come around to my games and explain that to the JV coaches? Because they don't seem to be generally aware of that.

[jTheUmp]

We make sure there are no duplicate numbers at lower levels here... at a certain point though (9th grade and below, usually) other uniform issues are ignored.

At least for me, this is usually for foul-counting purposes... if you have three players wearing #32, and they pick up 7 fouls combined (say, 5-2-0), we don't have a good way to tell which player has fouled out of the game.

Four strips of athletic tape (one on each side of the jersey) quickly turns 3 #32s into #2, #3, and #32. If #2 or #3 are already in use, we can create #82 and #38, which is good enough for me in a lower level game, despite those technically being illegal also.

Other sports (football) don't have this issue (save flagrant fouls and unsportsmanlike fouls, but I've yet to see that be a problem).

If you have a crew and a an official book/table crew worth a darn, this won't even be an issue.

Having a table crew that's worth a darn is a fairly optimistic ask at these levels.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

We make sure there are no duplicate numbers at lower levels here... at a certain point though (9th grade and below, usually) other uniform issues are ignored.

At least for me, this is usually for foul-counting purposes... if you have three players wearing #32, and they pick up 7 fouls combined (say, 5-2-0), we don't have a good way to tell which player has fouled out of the game.

Four strips of athletic tape (one on each side of the jersey) quickly turns 3 #32s into #2, #3, and #32. If #2 or #3 are already in use, we can create #82 and #38, which is good enough for me in a lower level game, despite those technically being illegal also.

Other sports (football) don't have this issue (save flagrant fouls and unsportsmanlike fouls, but I've yet to see that be a problem).


Having a table crew that's worth a darn is a fairly optimistic ask at these levels.

I understand your take and don't necessarily disagree with you.

Luckily for me, where we work, the table crew is the same that works the varsity game(s). Identical numbers are not an issue.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

We make sure there are no duplicate numbers at lower levels here... Four strips of athletic tape (one on each side of the jersey) quickly turns 3 #32s into #2, #3, and #32.

And for that reason, local supervisors will not allow duplicate numbers, at any level. I reached out and got confirmation here. When in Rome...

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

And for that reason, local supervisors will not allow duplicate numbers, at any level. I reached out and got confirmation here. When in Rome...

Well said my friend!

I still think you and your assignor are being a little over the top, but if that's protocol in your area then more power to you guys.

In my area, identical numbers are not an issue as we have really good table workers. Nobody in our area seems to mind. I suppose the first time there is a huge problem that could change. Then again, it's JV so how huge could a problem be?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Well said my friend!

I still think you and your assignor are being a little over the top, but if that's protocol in your area then more power to you guys.

In my area, identical numbers are not an issue as we have really good table workers. Nobody in our area seems to mind. I suppose the first time there is a huge problem that could change. Then again, it's JV so how huge could a problem be?

I love these magical lands where no one gets worked up over JV games. Every where I've worked JV is 80-90% as intense as varsity. Heck, the game where my partner was assaulted was a sophomore game.

[DrPete]

The always say that the last ref/crew let me wear it, etc.
Don't buy into that.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

However, duplicate numbers is a fixable issue which has a tremendous chance of creating a huge headache during the game when you get into an unsolvable argument over which 32 got the foul in the second quarter and there's no way the star player has fouled out.

Who gets into an unsolvable argument in a JV game? It's not the state championship. If you have a crew and a an official book/table crew worth a darn, this won't even be an issue.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Who gets into an unsolvable argument in a JV game? It's not the state championship. If you have a crew and a an official book/table crew worth a darn, this won't even be an issue.

I don't because I don't allow duplicate numbers.

Yes, there are uniform issues which aren't important in non-Varsity contests. Uniform numbers are not one of those issues.

The rules which, IMHO, can be relaxed in lower level contests are those which do not affect the actual playing rules, game administration, and safety. Since duplicate numbers affect game administration, we're going to grab some athletic tape and get the problem solved.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich

I think this is off.

In football, we ignore illegal or duplicate numbers at lower levels. We're strict at the varsity level. Has nothing to do with guts, but the realization that they get hand-me-down uniforms and everyone gets that and nobody cares about being strict with it.

In hoops, I would be the same way at certain levels. Know the audience and the customer. JV? Middle ground.


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Exactly!

There's no reason to be an as$ at the JV level. It's very common for JV teams to not have enough of the same uniform. 19???????? Come on. I think very few of us have seen 19 players on a JV team.

I would guess that most of us would know the proper protocol in this situation. An assignor agreeing just means your leadership is equally over the top in regards to this.