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bas2456 · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:26pm

This rule says...

A player shall not purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds.

Has anyone called this technical before? What happened?

Saw a couple plays (really the same thing a couple different times) and wondering if it would fall under this rule.

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:32pm

Yes. I had a player run all the way out of bounds after they made a throw-in. BTW, the player, in that case, was warned several times and did it anyway the way I recall it. The only time it needed to be called. Usually, I just tell the player, "Get on the court" and they do.

Peace

bas2456 · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:03pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes. I had a player run all the way out of bounds after they made a throw-in. BTW, the player, in that case, was warned several times and did it anyway the way I recall it. The only time it needed to be called. Usually, I just tell the player, "Get on the court" and they do.

Peace

Like all the way down the sideline? End line?

Alabama_ref · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:59pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456

Like all the way down the sideline? End line?

This actually happened in my game last night. 6 ft out of bounds and was first to catch ball after returning. Violation. It was during a play not a delay following a throw in. 1st time ever calling it 10 yrs in.

just another ref · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by Alabama_ref

This actually happened in my game last night. 6 ft out of bounds and was first to catch ball after returning. Violation. It was during a play not a delay following a throw in. 1st time ever calling it 10 yrs in.

First to catch the ball is not a factor.

justacoach · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:09pm

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Originally Posted by Alabama_ref

This actually happened in my game last night. 6 ft out of bounds and was first to catch ball after returning. Violation. It was during a play not a delay following a throw in. 1st time ever calling it 10 yrs in.

Rules reference, if you please...
Sincerely hope you refrain from making that call the rest of your career.

BTW, welcome to the forum. You will benefit greatly from current threads and the more than 10 years of archives.

Alabama_ref · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:25pm

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Originally Posted by justacoach

Rules reference, if you please...
Sincerely hope you refrain from making that call the rest of your career.

BTW, welcome to the forum. You will benefit greatly from current threads and the more than 10 years of archives.

Y'all are correct on not having be the first to touch. However the player was clearly gaining an advantage by avoiding the defense. I was merely stating first to touch because had it been a few passes before he got the ball I would not have made the call (because at that point I don't feel as he would of gained an advantage and would have been a mere "play on". And yes I hope to never have to make that call ever again.

BillyMac · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:37pm

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Originally Posted by Alabama_ref

... the player was clearly gaining an advantage by avoiding the defense.

A few years ago (maybe it was a few decades ago) I had an offensive player run out of bounds around a screen, and he almost ran me over as the lead official. It surprised me, and I let it go, but vowed to call the violation the next time he did it. After a switch after a foul, my partner was now the lead on the same endline and made the call without me telling him anything about the situation.

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Originally Posted by Alabama_ref

I hope to never have to make that call ever again.

That's the closest I've come to making this call. If I see it again, I will call it.

justacoach · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:57pm

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Originally Posted by Alabama_ref

Y'all are correct on not having be the first to touch. However the player was clearly gaining an advantage by avoiding the defense. I was merely stating first to touch because had it been a few passes before he got the ball I would not have made the call (because at that point I don't feel as he would of gained an advantage and would have been a mere "play on". And yes I hope to never have to make that call ever again.

You'll learn to parse your words correctly with this crowd

Lots of sharp cookies here.

Agree, this sitch does require a solid understanding of advantage gained. That was a major point when this action changed from violation to a T several years back.

JRutledge · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:59pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456

Like all the way down the sideline? End line?

The end line.

Peace

ODog · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:16pm

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Originally Posted by bas2456

Has anyone called this technical before? What happened?

Sure. The scenario actually happens all the time. The classic end-line throw-in where the thrower in waits out of bounds while a screen is being set for him, then pops inbounds out to the corner for an open 3.

You tell the player to "come inbounds, come inbounds, come inbounds," they usually do, and you have nothing.

If the player ignores that plea, delays returning and the play "works," you call the T. I've done it ... maybe twice in my career.

I've also called it just a violation, (which is not the rule, of course), maybe twice as well, and when the player or coach bitches, I explain, "It's actually a technical, so you're welcome."

Making the call is rare, but the scenario and play are not rare at all.

Freddy · #12 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2017, 04:10am

Purposeful Delay in Returning to the Court

Saw something more purposeful observing several middle school games a couple of years ago. A1 throw-in to A2. Coach A yells, "Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet." A1 stands OOB as directed. Finally, as all the defenders migrate toward the player with the ball now at the top of the key, he yells, "Now!" A1 steps inbounds, alone and unguarded, for an easy pass from A2 and an easy, unchallenged score.

Lack of knowledge of the rule led to no call being made each time I saw it. Maybe three times in three different games.

BillyMac · #13 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:38am

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Originally Posted by justacoach

... this action changed from violation to a T several years back.

I was about to comment on this (above) but wasn't 100% sure. Thanks for the reminder. Anybody remember when this occurred?

Alabama_ref · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2017, 09:52am

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Originally Posted by justacoach

You'll learn to parse your words correctly with this crowd

Lots of sharp cookies here.

Agree, this sitch does require a solid understanding of advantage gained. That was a major point when this action changed from violation to a T several years back.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying my situation should have been a technical? All rules references I find regarding my situation states a violation.

BillyMac · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 17, 2017, 10:21am

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Originally Posted by Alabama_ref

I'm a little confused.

Somewhere along the line this thread split into two different situations: an inbounder staying out of bounds, and a player on the court intentionally moving out of bounds.

An inbounder (actually any player legally out of bounds) purposely staying out of bounds to deceive the opponent team is a technical foul.

A player shall not: Purposely and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds.

A player on the court gaining an advantage by moving out of bounds is a violation.

A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason.