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There is no such thing as a "controlled tap". The player either tapped the ball or the or the player caught the ball and threw it. The fact that the player was able to direct the ball where he desired on the tap is not relevant. A tap, by definition, does not create player control or team control.
The R either made an incorrect call based on incorrect understanding of the rules defining player and team control or made a correct call by misstating what he judged to have occurred.
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All that means is that you can move the ball from one player to another without establishing player control. Which is exactly what happened in my play.
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Anyone using "tap" to say there is no team control need realize that this is not a "tap for a goal". |
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There is no Team Control during a try. In order for a BC violation to occur PC needs to be established. How does batting a rebound fulfill the following?
Rule 4 Section 9. Control—Player, Team Art. 1. A player shall be in control when: a. Holding a live ball; or b. Dribbling a live ball while inbounds. Additionally, there is this, which is directly on point in regards to this conversation: 4-9 Art. 4. There shall be no team control during: a. A jump ball; b. The tapping of a rebound (unless it is a try for goal); c. A try for goal after the ball is in flight; d. The period that follows any of these acts (a-c) while the ball is being batted (from the vicinity of other players) in an attempt to secure control; or e. A dead ball. So what am I missing? Seriously wish folks would actually look up and read a rule before telling others what the rule is. We get enough misinformation in AAU and Summer ball locker rooms.
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This doesn't matter though. There was a try for goal. That ended team control until it is reestablished by a player securing player control. Intentional or not, tap or bat, the action by A5 does not give him player control, so by rule, there is no team control.
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There is t much that you can do. You can only advise him as to what you believe is the proper ruling and then allow him to either reverse or stick with his call. In your case a member of the crew did come to him and give him the opportunity to change the call. It doesn't matter if it was you or the other guy. Had you done it and he refused to change would you have wanted your third to come over and get involved? Let the R stick with his call and his incorrect rules knowledge will get highlighted by a coach sending in the play to the league office/commissioner/supervisor. If the supervisor then tells him that he is wrong, he will change. That's about the only thing that will alter his thinking. Games aren't called perfectly. We have to accept that. We can't do our partners jobs for them. We don't get their game checks! |
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Art 2...A team is in control of the ball: b. While a live ball is being passed among teammates. Rule 4 Section 31 A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player. So if the "intentional" batting of the ball into the backcourt was to a teammate then this is a backcourt violation. |
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Hmmm, so A5 was standing all by himself, saw a rebound coming his way, and decided to bat the ball away from only himself?
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