Could I have done anything?

[CJP]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

All that means is that you can move the ball from one player to another without establishing player control. Which is exactly what happened in my play.

No. It means that your partner ruled the "intentional bat" a pass to a teammate in the backcourt.

Anyone using "tap" to say there is no team control need realize that this is not a "tap for a goal".

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There is no such thing as a "controlled tap". The player either tapped the ball or the or the player caught the ball and threw it. The fact that the player was able to direct the ball where he desired on the tap is not relevant. A tap, by definition, does not create player control or team control.

Where's the "like" button?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Here's my situation from last night's college game.

With about 6 minutes remaining in the 2nd half, Team A attempts a try, which is unsuccessful. Before either team gains control, A5 intentionally bats the ball into Team A's backcourt, where A1 is the first to touch the ball.

My partner at T (R on the game) blows the whistle for a backcourt violation.

As I start to walk to T to discuss it, my other partner (U1) gets there first and they discuss the play. Players are all still on the court, so I do not join the conversation. I am watching the players.

Whistle blows and U1 points toward Team A and moves back toward his position in the frontcourt. Ok, good.

R then says to me, "Team B ball!" and directs everyone to the other end of the court. U1 (never having gotten back to his original position) hustles to the other end and does not re-engage the R.

So what do I do here? We've already stopped the game once. We've had a long (too long) conversation. We've had confusion. And we've stayed with the original incorrect call.

Do I stop the game again? Do I take a crack at changing the R's mind? If I do this, don't I make the crew look worse? "Come on, make up your mind!"

What I actually did was nothing. In the confusion, I felt like I would just be extending the bad situation.

So at the next TO, I'm next to the U1 and ask what happened. He said the R was 100% that there was control. (In the locker room after the game, he said it was a controlled tap.) He wanted to stay with the call and he would take the responsibility for the call.

So here's my honest question. Should I have taken my turn at trying to change the R's mind?

The team that was called for the violation lost by 2.

By definition a tap is not control. The player would have to catch and hold the ball with one hand in order to establish control. Obviously, you know that or you wouldn't have posted this situation. So your real question is about how to deal with an incorrect rules decision by a partner because that person has an improper understanding.
There is t much that you can do. You can only advise him as to what you believe is the proper ruling and then allow him to either reverse or stick with his call. In your case a member of the crew did come to him and give him the opportunity to change the call. It doesn't matter if it was you or the other guy. Had you done it and he refused to change would you have wanted your third to come over and get involved?
Let the R stick with his call and his incorrect rules knowledge will get highlighted by a coach sending in the play to the league office/commissioner/supervisor. If the supervisor then tells him that he is wrong, he will change. That's about the only thing that will alter his thinking.
Games aren't called perfectly. We have to accept that. We can't do our partners jobs for them. We don't get their game checks!

[Rich]

Life's much nicer when you stop agonizing over these things and just go work games.

Took me 25 years (of my 31) to get there, but I couldn't possibly care about rulebook mistakes anymore.


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[Welpe]

No agony at all here. I have just always found it odd.