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JRutledge Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:05am

Big Ten - ACC Challenge (More videos)
 
#1:
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JRutledge Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:17am

#2:

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JRutledge Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:34am

#3

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AremRed Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:49am

Play 1: Very close but I prefer block on this play. CC

Play 2: Held ball is acceptable, CC

Play 3: Verticality, minimal (from this angle) A to B movement, CNC. Monitor review for the subsequent OOB play.

Camron Rust Wed Nov 29, 2017 03:22am

1. Close, but I believe the defender was just a moment too late.

2. Held ball before the rollover.

3. The defender was jumping towards the shooter, albeit not very much. That would not be legal but the only contact was the shooters forearm into the defender's gut. Hard to call a block when that is the primary contact. Not enough for an offensive foul either. Good no call. Also, the lead was in absolutely the wrong place to see through that play. No way he could see either element from where he was. His spot wasn't normally a bad spot, but it didn't work for the way that play developed.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 29, 2017 08:38am

Always listen to Camron

JRutledge Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:09pm

Added videos.
 
#4:

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#5:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cr1H9BK90Nc" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

#6:

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AremRed Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:19pm

Play 4: Nothing on back down, CC on hit on arm

Play 5: Nothing

Play 6: No and no

BryanV21 Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:29pm

On play #5 the defender was leaning into the offensive player with his upper body. I certainly wouldn't say he was vertical.

Raymond Thu Nov 30, 2017 02:56pm

#5 could be a cylinder play since the defender ended straddling the offensive player's leg. I believe a foul is called on the shot so that they could match the call in play #4.

Camron Rust Thu Nov 30, 2017 03:31pm

4. Yes. He was displaced. If a defender bumped the ball handler out of position like that, I don't think we'd even ask the question. No calls like that are why defenders think they need to flop.

5. Defender had good position

6. Yes. A1 picked up the dribble (in both hands even) with the left foot down, stepped to the right, then stepped again with the left. If not for the travel, the defender was FAR from vertical, and it was about to be a foul, but the shooter lost the ball when the ball hit the defenders gut. Any contact that followed was not relevant.

JRutledge Thu Nov 30, 2017 04:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1012120)
#5 could be a cylinder play since the defender ended straddling the offensive player's leg. I believe a foul is called on the shot so that they could match the call in play #4.

That is a very good point. I was not thinking cylinder play, but you are probably right in this case.

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so cal lurker Thu Nov 30, 2017 04:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1012120)
#5 could be a cylinder play since the defender ended straddling the offensive player's leg. I believe a foul is called on the shot so that they could match the call in play #4.

But the defender is backing up and the attacker is moving into the defender--can the offensive player create a cylinder by moving into the defender?

JRutledge Thu Nov 30, 2017 04:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1012133)
But the defender is backing up and the attacker is moving into the defender--can the offensive player create a cylinder by moving into the defender?

If you are leaning on the opponent and not allowing a basketball move, then you are kind of responsible.

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Camron Rust Thu Nov 30, 2017 05:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1012133)
But the defender is backing up and the attacker is moving into the defender--can the offensive player create a cylinder by moving into the defender?

No. the offensive player can't create a 'new" cylinder by moving into a defender. If that were the case, that would mean a defender would just simply have to keep getting out of the way indefinitely. The defensive player only has to give enough room initially. If the offensive player erases that by moving closer, that is the offensive player's choice. The defender doesn't have to give more room.


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