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hamnegger Thu Nov 30, 2017 07:17pm
I thought #5 was a PC. He basically bulled through the defender who did nothing wrong.

JRutledge Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:29pm
#7:
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#8:
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#9:
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#10:
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#11:
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Peace

AremRed Fri Dec 01, 2017 01:00am
Play 7: CC, Slot needs to report a chuck, not a hold.

Play 8: CC. So happy Lead had a whistle here /s

Play 9: IC

Play 10: CC block

Play 11: CC, Trail's play

Camron Rust Fri Dec 01, 2017 03:48am
Play 7...good call.

Play 8...good call, defender was not vertical.

Play 9...great call. Screener didn't allow time/distance. The screen was blind and the opponent was moving. As for the coverage, that was the closest matchup to the L (no offensive players were even inside the 3-point arc). There was nothing else he could or should have been watching and he had the best view of that play. Both the C and the T were straightlined on that.

Play 10...good call. Even had 2-hands on the shooter briefly before the block.

Play 11. Contact, yes. But it was after the shot was away...the ball was about 2 feet out of the shooters hand at the time of the contact. That contact had no effect on the play and was incidental.

Smitty Fri Dec 01, 2017 07:48am
On #8, why is lead putting a whistle on this from where he is?

Raymond Fri Dec 01, 2017 08:46am
#7: One of those "fool the refs" play. A2 has his arm on top of B2's shoulder and then flings his arm back to make it appear he was bumped. Call doesn't hurt though as it lets the players know they are being watched off-ball.

#8: Lead has no reason for a double whistle, Center had the play all the way and had already put a whistle on it.

#9: Yes, the Lead should have this call. Trail has on-ball coverage and can't see the legality of screen. It is set by a player coming from outside his primary, so he needs help.

#10: Correct call. A1 did nothing wrong; B1 initiates the contact and then flops, causing A1 to be knocked off-balance.

#11: I would leave this to the Lead. Trail is behind the play, while the Lead has a perfect view between A1 and B1.

AremRed Fri Dec 01, 2017 09:10am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 1012159)
On #8, why is lead putting a whistle on this from where he is?
Because Lead is n̶o̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶b̶a̶s̶k̶e̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶e̶e̶ ball watching and not trusting his partner.

Smitty Fri Dec 01, 2017 09:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1012162)
Because Lead is not a very good basketball referee.
This is a D1 high profile game, so I have to think lead is a very good basketball referee. So I'm curious if this is something college officials would typically do or if this was just poor positioning and he was late moving over but intended to and was refereeing the play as if he had from where he was. I'm not a college official, so I am curious what others would say - Raymond's response clears it up for me.

Raymond Fri Dec 01, 2017 09:25am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1012162)
Because Lead is not a very good basketball referee.
There are high profile officials whom I am not particularly fond of, but I would never say they are not good officials (eye of the beholder), and would not bash them in a public forum, especially an officiating forum.

Rich Fri Dec 01, 2017 09:30am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1012162)
Because Lead is not a very good basketball referee.


Idiotic and horribly immature thing to say.


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AremRed Fri Dec 01, 2017 09:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 1012163)
So I'm curious if this is something college officials would typically do or if this was just poor positioning and he was late moving over but intended to and was refereeing the play as if he had from where he was.
He was ball watching.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1012164)
There are high profile officials whom I am not particularly fond of, but I would never say they are not good officials (eye of the beholder), and would not bash them in a public forum, especially an officiating forum.
I didn’t say he was not a good official. I said he was not a very good official. Very big difference.

And let’s be honest — he ain’t there for his play calling ability. He’s there because, despite being a mediocre playcaller, he’s an excellent communicator and coaches love him.

AremRed Fri Dec 01, 2017 09:42am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 1012163)
So I'm curious if this is something college officials would typically do or if this was just poor positioning and he was late moving over but intended to and was refereeing the play as if he had from where he was. I'm not a college official, so I am curious what other would say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1012166)
He was ball watching.
To expand further on this point: Lead needs to have better eye discipline and trust Slot to get an obvious foul in his area. Lead was mid-rotation and should have been refereeing his area (competitive matchup on low block) until he has completed the rotation and new Slot can take over that matchup. So the learning point here is to always watch your area until the rotation is completed and all three officials are in a new spot. Now perhaps if Lead has no competitive matchups in his area and Slot was overwhelmed and needs help then perhaps Lead can look across the lane mid-rotation — but that is not what happened here.

AremRed Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1012170)
Well, there is absolutely no one in his primary when he makes the call. The screener comes from the edge of his primary and there is nowhere else he would watch than off ball. He was not ball watching as he did not call a foul on the ball handler. I think it was close, but a great get from his position. And that is why you should not give "other" signals because the Trail clearly did not have the angle and he is telling everyone he has not foul with that "hand to the side" signal that I see too many officials use. Not even Bilas complained about the foul. :D



And being a very good official has nothing to do with the play. It is a play he can get and should get when seen. If there were people in his primary, then I might agree that this was a stretch, but that was not at all the case. I have also been a person that has been at a camp where he was a clinician and speaker. I have little issues with him overall. I have no idea why he is there and not someone else. That a is for others to decide. I just know that I have never seen much from him that I dispute. To each his own I guess.
Wrong play JRut.

Smitty Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:24am
JRut - you quoted an AremRed statement but used my name for the quote (in poet #28) - just wanted to make that clear that I did not make that statement in the response you were quoting.

JRutledge Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:27am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1012171)
Wrong play JRut.
You are right, I looked one below.

I deleted the comments above as I clearly had the wrong play. I even went back and looked at the play again and was only thinking of that play. My mistake on that one and modified my statement.

Peace


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