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[Smitty]

Sure looks like a charge to me. Both feet were down and set before the shooter left his feet. Took it in the chest.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Sure looks like a charge to me. Both feet were down and set before the shooter left his feet. Took it in the chest.

I agree. I am giving the defender the benefit of the doubt in these plays.

Peace

[ballgame99]

Agree with the PC here, but can we talk about the L's mechanic on this? That movement could easily be confused with 'count the bucket' in my view. Is the behind the head PC signal not required in college?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Agree with the PC here, but can we talk about the L's mechanic on this? That movement could easily be confused with 'count the bucket' in my view. Is the behind the head PC signal not required in college?

We are supposed to go fist, then hand behind the head. On plays to the baskets I try to remember to go hand/head for that very reason, as not to confuse folks thinking I'm counting the basket.

On non-shooting plays I sometimes go with just the direction. But I'm working on always going hand behind the head.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Sure looks like a charge to me. Both feet were down and set before the shooter left his feet. Took it in the chest.

I would recommend getting this out of your vocabulary.

That being said, I agree that this is a PC, and quite frankly I don't think it's that close. What does the defender do wrong?

And on PC fouls I go fist up then point (not punch) the other way. Hand behind the head at the spot looks weak and goofy–I save that for my report to the table.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I would recommend getting this out of your vocabulary.

That being said, I agree that this is a PC, and quite frankly I don't think it's that close. What does the defender do wrong?

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This is pretty much play 10 (a block) in the NCAA block/charge video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxOAMMB6Sjg

He continued to slide right after the shooter jumped. Yes, he got the feet down, but then slid them over to get into the path of the airborne shooter.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This is pretty much play 10 (a block) in the NCAA block/charge video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxOAMMB6Sjg

He continued to slide right after the shooter jumped. Yes, he got the feet down, but then slid them over to get into the path of the airborne shooter.

I do not think it is anything like play 10. The defender completely is shifting his body to make contact. The play I posted was a defender with his feet in place and all he does is get ready for contact. And again, I am giving all the benefit to the defender. It does not say they cannot have their body move at all.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think it is anything like play 10. The defender completely is shifting his body to make contact. The play I posted was a defender with his feet in place and all he does is get ready for contact. And again, I am giving all the benefit to the defender. It does not say they cannot have their body move at all.

Peace

After further review, I'm going to agree with you. The shooter's foot was not off the floor as soon as I thought. By the time it was off the floor, the defender had already shifted over enough.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I would recommend getting this out of your vocabulary.

That being said, I agree that this is a PC, and quite frankly I don't think it's that close. What does the defender do wrong?

And on PC fouls I go fist up then point (not punch) the other way. Hand behind the head at the spot looks weak and goofy–I save that for my report to the table.

The college supervisor who pays me the most money per game explicitly wants it done that way, so call me Goofy.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The college supervisor who pays me the most money per game explicitly wants it done that way, so call me Goofy.

That's his prerogative. Thankfully, I don't work for anyone that requires that. When/if I ever do, I'll adjust.

[Scrapper1]

In real time, I'm going PC on this. Defender's left foot does slide slightly after shooter becomes airborne, but I don't think defender is ever out of his vertical, is he? If he is, it's just barely and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see that in live action.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In real time, I'm going PC on this. Defender's left foot does slide slightly after shooter becomes airborne, but I don't think defender is ever out of his vertical, is he? If he is, it's just barely and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see that in live action.

I like this response the most. While reviewing the video, I see the defender getting there so late that as he’s trying to straighten his knees and stand tall, his hips and torso are still moving toward the shorter when contact occurs. Block.

In reality, am I going to have time as the lead to look up from the feet and judge this in time? Nope. Charge.


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[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I like this response the most. While reviewing the video, I see the defender getting there so late that as he’s trying to straighten his knees and stand tall, his hips and torso are still moving toward the shorter when contact occurs. Block.

In reality, am I going to have time as the lead to look up from the feet and judge this in time? Nope. Charge.


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I’m going to disagree that defender was “late”. ...Did the defender establish legal guarding position? ( both feet on the ground, facing the opponent)...

Once the defender has established the position and attained the spot on the floor.. the defender is entitled to the space on the floor and the vertical space. If the defender is in his vertical space and offender causes contact, responsibility is on offense player for contact... no different to me than turning to absorb shock that makes it look like torso is moving toward offense...contact occurs on Torso...

A couple of philosophy notes.

I agree with the statement in previous post...What did the defender do wrong? He did it right, he’s defending the goal and taking a drive away...

Call this a charge and the offensive team thinks twice about making this plays to the basket.... Call it a block and the offensive team will continue to drive like this and make the game rougher.

Refereeing the defense here is more than watching the feet and then looking up... it’s the defender playing basketball. All too often we referee with the assumption that the defense is always wrong. The better way to look at it... the defender is always legal... and once the defender proves they do something wrong, then blow the whistle..

In this play the defender has shown me nothing that violates a rule.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SC Official

That's his prerogative. Thankfully, I don't work for anyone that requires that. When/if I ever do, I'll adjust.

Thankfully I do, because it's very good money.

And I've seen myself on video doing it, and it was pretty smooth.

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[IncorrectCall]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Thankfully I do, because it's very good money.

And I've seen myself on video doing it, and it was pretty smooth.

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Video proof requested.