Swinging arms question again :

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Originally Posted by Refk

I apologize if this has been beaten to death but the other night my two partners asked the question again .............. what is the penalty for elbow contact above the shoulder. I searched the forum and found the below information................... is this the most current interpretation ?

Thanks



Contact above the shoulders. With a continued emphasis on reducing concussions and decreasing excessive contact situations the committee determined that more guidance is needed for penalizing contact above the shoulders.
a. A player shall not swing his/her arm(s) or elbow(s) even without contacting an opponent.
b. Excessive swinging of the elbows occurs when arms and elbows are swung about while using the shoulders as pivots, and the speed of the extended arms and elbows is in excess of the rest of the body as it rotates on the hips or on the pivot foot. Currently it is a violation in Rule 9 Section 13 Article.
b. Examples of illegal contact above the shoulders and resulting penalties.
1. Contact with a stationary elbow may be incidental or a common foul.
2. An elbow in movement but not excessive should be an intentional foul.
3. A moving elbow that is excessive can be either an intentional foul or flagrant personal foul.

This is the language from 2012 points of emphasis. Travesty that it never made it into the rule book. A stationary elbow can be nothing or personal foul. Example, screen set with elbows outside the frame. Defender runs into that elbow. Personal foul. Elbow wasn't moving.
Elbow in movement but not excessive (above shoulders) is intentional foul. A normal pivot makes elbow move. Contact by these words means intentional. If it is excessive movement then flagrant. Players are responsible for their own elbows.

Now that's what this POE language means. It's not in the rules so you get many individual interpretations. Do check with your interpreters as mentioned above.