FT - delayed violation and foul

[bucky]

A1 at FT line shooting 2nd of 2 FT's. After A1 releases the ball, B2 enters the lane, backs across the FT line before the ball strikes the rim, and then B2 displaces (clearly a foul) A1 in the semi-circle. It is the 10th team B foul. A1's attempt is unsuccessful.


Per last year's interpretations/clarifications, a delayed violation is ruled and a foul is called on B2. A substitute FT is awarded to A1 for the delayed violation and the lane is cleared.

Can anyone cite how the bonus FTs are shot? Do they occur before/after the susbtitute FT? Is lane cleared for those as well?

Last year's info:

Clarification Preseason Guide Article “Enforce Illegal Contact on Free Thrower and Violations During Free Throw”, page 6, second paragraph: The free thrower must remain within the free throw semi-circle until the ball contacts the basket ring or the shot is made or missed. The same rule applies to all other players who do not occupy free throw lane line marked spaces. Players who occupy free throw lane line marked spaces during free throws may enter the free-throw lane upon the free thrower releasing the ball; however, should a defensive player cross the free-throw line too soon, it is a violation. A delayed violation signal is to be displayed. If the free throw is successful, the violation is ignored. If a defender contacts the free thrower, a personal foul is the correct ruling. If the free throw is unsuccessful, the violation is enforced and a substitute free throw is awarded. If a defender contacts the free thrower, a personal foul is the correct ruling. Whether the free throw is or is not successful, the penalty for the personal foul is awarded. If the free thrower’s team is in a bonus situation, the free thrower would be awarded a one-and-one or two free throws. If the free thrower’s team is not in a bonus situation, his or her team would be awarded a throw-in along the end line.

Comment: Rule 9-1 does not address the issue of players, other than the free thrower during the free throw, entering the semi-circle. The national interpretation on this issue is during the free throw, anyone entering the semi-circle has created a violation. If it is a team member who violates, the ball should be blown dead immediately. If an opponent violates, it is a delayed lane violation and the free thrower should be awarded a substitute throw if the free throw is missed.

SITUATION 1: The opponent makes contact with the free-throw shooter before the free throw reaches the basket. The free throw is missed.
RULING: The official should rule a violation on the opponent and a personal foul. (9-1-2g Penalty 2b)

SITUATION 2: After A1 releases the ball on a free throw try, B1 steps into the lane and backs across the free-throw line to box out the free-throw shooter then makes contact with the free-throw shooter. The free throw is missed.
RULING: The official should rule a delayed violation on the opponent. A1 will be awarded a substitute free throw and the contact is ruled a foul. The substitute free throw would be administered with the free-throw lane spaces unoccupied. (9-1-2g Penalty 2b)

SITUATION 3: During a free throw by A1, B1 pushes A2 and B2 is in the lane before the ball is released.
RULING: Delayed violation and penalize the foul. If Team A is in the bonus, shoot one-and-one. If Team A is not in the bonus, A gets the ball for a throw-in along the endline. If the free throw is not successful, award a substitute free throw and also penalize the foul as a personal foul (live ball). The substitute free throw would be administered with the free throw lane spaces not occupied. (9-1-2 Penalty 2b)

[Raymond]

Since this is not a POI situation, the replacement free throw is shot first, then the free throws for the subsequent foul.

[Smitty]

Why is the lane cleared? The same player is shooting the subsequent free throws, no? I would think the only time the lane would be cleared is if the foul resulted in no free-throws (no bonus) so there is a throw-in coming after the substitute free throw from the violation.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Since this is not a POI situation, the replacement free throw is shot first, then the free throws for the subsequent foul.

I am leaning towards agreeing but all of the questions were not answered.

The sub FT would be shot first with the lane cleared and then the double bonus FTs would be shot. Would the lane be cleared then? I am thinking not but am also looking for specific rule/case citing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

I am leaning towards agreeing but all of the questions were not answered.

The sub FT would be shot first with the lane cleared and then the double bonus FTs would be shot. Would the lane be cleared then? I am thinking not but am also looking for specific rule/case citing.

The replacement free throw would be a cleared lane b/c the ball is to become dead after the free throw.

The 2 free throws for the 2nd foul would have players lined up, otherwise what would be the status of the ball after the 2nd set of free throws?

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The replacement free throw would be a cleared lane b/c the ball is to become dead after the free throw.

The 2 free throws for the 2nd foul would have players lined up, otherwise what would be the status of the ball after the 2nd set of free throws?

Yea, that is what I indicated.

So, does anyone not agree that the substitute FT would be shot first with the lane cleared and then the subsequent 2 FTs shot with the lane occupied?

Again, rule/case citing would be great if you got them.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The replacement free throw would be a cleared lane b/c the ball is to become dead after the free throw.

The 2 free throws for the 2nd foul would have players lined up, otherwise what would be the status of the ball after the 2nd set of free throws?

I don't really understand why we clear the lane for the first shot. What's different about this than shooting free throws after a foul against a three point shooter who missed the shot? Seems silly to clear the lane for the first shot and then bring everyone back for the second and third. Why do we bother having players lined up for first of 2 free throws then?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I don't really understand why we clear the lane for the first shot.

Because it's now a false-multiple foul (I think). And we clear the lane for the first (set of) FTs in this instance. Imagine if B violated but A fouled. We'd clear the lane and then go to the other end and have everyone lined up.

This just "seems" wrong because everyone was on the lane, then they're off, then they're on again. But, by the book, it's the right thing to do.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because it's now a false-multiple foul (I think). And we clear the lane for the first (set of) FTs in this instance. Imagine if B violated but A fouled. We'd clear the lane and then go to the other end and have everyone lined up.

This just "seems" wrong because everyone was on the lane, then they're off, then they're on again. But, by the book, it's the right thing to do.

I get it if different people are shooting the free throws or we are switching ends, but if the same person is shooting all 3 free throws, it just seems like a waste of time.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I get it if different people are shooting the free throws or we are switching ends, but if the same person is shooting all 3 free throws, it just seems like a waste of time.

If it was someone else shooting the first free throw, it would all make sense to you, right?

So all this means is that there is no exception that applies if the person shooting that "dead" free throw is going to be the same as the one who shoots the "live" free throws after.

Indeed, in many situations you might not know that it was going to be the same shooter.

All that said, if you had the players on the line for that free throw, and that was the worst mistake you made in the game, you'd have a damned good game . . .

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

If it was someone else shooting the first free throw, it would all make sense to you, right?

So all this means is that there is no exception that applies if the person shooting that "dead" free throw is going to be the same as the one who shoots the "live" free throws after.

Indeed, in many situations you might not know that it was going to be the same shooter.

All that said, if you had the players on the line for that free throw, and that was the worst mistake you made in the game, you'd have a damned good game . . .

+1. Anytime the ball is to become dead after a final (or single) FT for a particular foul, the lane is cleared. We'd need a written exception for this case. It would certainly be a logical exception, but it's probably not something that the rules committee would waste time on unless these type of scenarios started occurring with noticeably greater frequency.