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Camron Rust Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:04am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1010002)
(Assuming this does become a double dribble) -- So is the throw-in spot where A1 initially released the ball, or where A1 subsequently touches the ball?
Or could it be where the "dribble" itself occurred (backboard).

I believe it would be where the ball was released. But, for all practical purposes, it will not matter much. The spot will be in the backcourt for the team getting the ball. Some spots might be a little more advantageous than others but unless we're talking about it being in the corner vs the lane line vs the 28' mark, I'm not going to worry about that one.

BryanV21 Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:06am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1010002)
(Assuming this does become a double dribble) -- So is the throw-in spot where A1 initially released the ball, or where A1 subsequently touches the ball?
The ball would be inbounded from the spot closest to where the violation occurred. In this case, the violation occurred when the player touched the ball.

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deecee Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:06pm
I'll save myself the headache if this ever happens in a game and go with the AP. I'm sure with the exception of a few people on this board no one else will bat an eyelash.

bucky Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1010017)
The ball would be inbounded from the spot closest to where the violation occurred. In this case, the violation occurred when the player touched the ball.

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As a side note meant only as a comment - Throw-in violations can occur a long way from the inbounder and the resulting throw-in takes place at the original throw-in spot.

bucky Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1009988)
I don't recall seeing or hearing about the part where A1 needs to be the first to touch the ball after it hits the backboard or official. Which makes my question moot.

Thanks
Also case 4.15.4 sit c

Scrapper1 Thu Oct 12, 2017 03:07pm
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1010030)
Throw-in violations can occur a long way from the inbounder and the resulting throw-in takes place at the original throw-in spot.
The two clauses of your sentence are contradictory.

After a violation, the ball is put back in play with a throw-in at a spot closest to where the violation occurred. So if the violation occurs a long way from the inbounder, why would the resulting throw-in take place at the original throw-in spot?

Raymond Thu Oct 12, 2017 03:14pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1010036)
The two clauses of your sentence are contradictory.

After a violation, the ball is put back in play with a throw-in at a spot closest to where the violation occurred. So if the violation occurs a long way from the inbounder, why would the resulting throw-in take place at the original throw-in spot?
A ball thrown directly OOB without touching any player on the court.

bucky Thu Oct 12, 2017 03:26pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 1010036)
The two clauses of your sentence are contradictory.

After a violation, the ball is put back in play with a throw-in at a spot closest to where the violation occurred. So if the violation occurs a long way from the inbounder, why would the resulting throw-in take place at the original throw-in spot?
Consider an inbounder throwing the ball a great distance that enters the hoop. That is a violation and the ensuing throw-in will be at the original throw-in spot.

bucky Thu Oct 12, 2017 03:28pm
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1010037)
A ball thrown directly OOB without touching any player on the court.
Yes, this too. It is really splitting hairs because it is technically a throw-in violation and not necessarily an out of bounds violation. The act/action just takes place far away.

so cal lurker Thu Oct 12, 2017 05:20pm
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1010037)
A ball thrown directly OOB without touching any player on the court.
The violation does not occur where the ball goes OOB, as the violation is not for throwing it OOB. It is for not throwing it onto the court--which occurred at the spot of the throw.

Camron Rust Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1010017)
The ball would be inbounded from the spot closest to where the violation occurred. In this case, the violation occurred when the player touched the ball.

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What is the violation for and what is the definition of a dribble? You might have a different answer if you go with those.

Raymond Fri Oct 13, 2017 07:43am
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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1010044)
The violation does not occur where the ball goes OOB, as the violation is not for throwing it OOB. It is for not throwing it onto the court--which occurred at the spot of the throw.
To fans and players and coaches, the violation occurred where the ball went OOB. That is what everybody sees with their eyes. It is not a violation until the ball goes OOB. And then we bring it back to where the throw-in originated.

Scrapper1 Fri Oct 13, 2017 08:57am
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1010038)
Consider an inbounder throwing the ball a great distance that enters the hoop. That is a violation and the ensuing throw-in will be at the original throw-in spot.
That is a violation. But WHAT is the violation? Where does the violation occur?

Scrapper1 Fri Oct 13, 2017 08:58am
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1010050)
To fans and players and coaches, the violation occurred where the ball went OOB. That is what everybody sees with their eyes. It is not a violation until the ball goes OOB. And then we bring it back to where the throw-in originated.
But it's not an OOB violation. WHAT is the actual violation?

We all know how much the fans know about the rules. :rolleyes:


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