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Agree. I would prefer to deal with the coach's behavior, and not be concerned about where he's standing (as long as he's not standing in front of the scorer's table, blocking the view of the scorer and timer).
Or standing past the end line, which is what has gotten a few college coaches a T in multiple situations.

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Old Sun Sep 17, 2017, 11:43am
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Or standing past the end line, which is what has gotten a few college coaches a T in multiple situations.

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I can't imagine having a coach yelling at me as a lead and taking that for long. But I never did take that kind of stuff anyway.
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Or standing past the end line, which is what has gotten a few college coaches a T in multiple situations.
Thanks for the warning.

As a 100% high school official who has never dealt with a twenty-eight foot coaching box, I never would have dreamed that this would be a problem.

In some of the gyms where I work, if the coach goes more than a few feet past the endline he going to walk into a wall, or out a door.

Hopefully they won't turn the corner and try to cozy up to me as the lead on the endline.

Well, we are all familiar with the old saying, give them twenty-eight feet and they're going to take thirty feet, or something like that.
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I can't imagine having a coach yelling at me as a lead and taking that for long. But I never did take that kind of stuff anyway.
Agreed.

Officials who weren't dealing with misbehavior with a 14-foot box won't deal with misbehavior with a 28-foot box, either. And then they'll say that coaches are acting more idiotic with the bigger box.
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We were recently told that South Carolina is adopting the 28-foot coaching box.

Any states keeping the box at 14' or smaller?
We're still waiting for a ruling on this here in Maine. Same for 2-hand reporting.
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We're still waiting for a ruling on this here in Maine. Same for 2-hand reporting.
One of our posters is going to go all "states can do whatever they want" on me for saying this, but...

The size of the box is a state option. Two-hand reporting is not. Technically if Maine stays with one hand, wouldn't it be subject to losing its seat on the Rules Committee? Not saying that would or should happen, but just a thought.
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One of our posters is going to go all "states can do whatever they want" on me for saying this, but...

The size of the box is a state option. Two-hand reporting is not. Technically if Maine stays with one hand, wouldn't it be subject to losing its seat on the Rules Committee? Not saying that would or should happen, but just a thought.
I think there's a difference between rules and mechanics (even those that are somehow specified in the rules themselves) in terms of being on the committee.
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In some of the gyms where I work, if the coach goes more than a few feet past the endline he going to walk into a wall, or out a door.
Some games, I'd be okay with the coach doing just that.
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One of our posters is going to go all "states can do whatever they want" on me for saying this, but...

The size of the box is a state option. Two-hand reporting is not. Technically if Maine stays with one hand, wouldn't it be subject to losing its seat on the Rules Committee? Not saying that would or should happen, but just a thought.
Well, I don't know that answer to that.... But I'm guessing it's like bob says.
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Per the 2017-18 FHSAA Basketball Sport Manual 4.2.1.1.1 Competition Rules, Florida is keeping the 14' coaching box.
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I have no knowledge but I would wager that every state will allow the new larger box.
Is it too late to take this bet?
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I think there's a difference between rules and mechanics (even those that are somehow specified in the rules themselves) in terms of being on the committee.
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Well, I don't know that answer to that.... But I'm guessing it's like bob says.
Agreed. After all, the rules require officials to wear black and white stripes, which doesn't happen in multiple states represented on the Committee.
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I can't imagine having a coach yelling at me as a lead and taking that for long. But I never did take that kind of stuff anyway.
It does not happen every game, but when it has I have seen it be penalized. Never happen in one of my games because coaches know better. It probably will happen a few more times because high school coaches are not used to that size of the box and they often are less professional about pushing the limits. But we will see. Time will tell.

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Agreed. After all, the rules require officials to wear black and white stripes, which doesn't happen in multiple states represented on the Committee.
And it is a rule to wear black and white stripes and many states do not wear those at all. So again states can and will do what they want on many levels. Not something new if you pay attention to these things (and I am talking multiple sports as well).

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Old Mon Sep 18, 2017, 05:03pm
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I think there's a difference between rules and mechanics (even those that are somehow specified in the rules themselves) in terms of being on the committee.
Two hand reporting sounds like it should be a mechanic and should be in the Manual, but I believe that it's in the NFHS Rulebook, and therefore is a rule. I wonder why?
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