NCAA-M Summer Rules Training Video

[Camron Rust]

The play at 15:30 is just wrong....in the description. It is a block, but for reasons different than described.

The dialog says "No. 30 red, a secondary defender just outside of the restricted area, never initially establishes LGP by having both feet on the floor facing the opponent."

They then talk about jumping from position A to position B. In doing so, they freeze the action at position A with the defender having both feet on the floor facing the opponent. Huh?

It is still a block because the defender jumped towards the opponent, but it is ludicrous to suggest they player wasn't facing the opponent or didn't have two feet on the floor. The still shot they include right after that shows both of those things.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The play at 15:30 is just wrong....in the description. It is a block, but for reasons different than described.

The dialog says "No. 30 red, a secondary defender just outside of the restricted area, never initially establishes LGP by having both feet on the floor facing the opponent."

They then talk about jumping from position A to position B. In doing so, they freeze the action at position A with the defender having both feet on the floor facing the opponent. Huh?

It is still a block because the defender jumped towards the opponent, but it is ludicrous to suggest they player wasn't facing the opponent or didn't have two feet on the floor. The still shot they include right after that shows both of those things.

Exactly right, they should have instead mentioned that the defender was not in the path of the opponent. As you say the defender clearly has two feet on the floor facing the opponent.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Exactly right, they should have instead mentioned that the defender was not in the path of the opponent. As you say the defender clearly has two feet on the floor facing the opponent.

Some would even argue that the player met the path requirement by being between the opponent and the basket. In this case, I'd agree.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Some would even argue that the player met the path requirement by being between the opponent and the basket. In this case, I'd agree.

Remind me, what's the argument for defining "path" as the location between the offensive player and the basket, instead of the "path" the offensive player is currently taking, regardless of which direction he is going?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Remind me, what's the argument for defining "path" as the location between the offensive player and the basket, instead of the "path" the offensive player is currently taking, regardless of which direction he is going?

If the opponent is not moving, is it possible to obtain LGP? If so, how if "path" is only relative to the direct of movement? I don't think anyone would suggest that you can't have LGP on a stationary opponent. That is one case where "path" has to mean something else.

What about an offensive player that is retreating and changes direction to drive into the defender that has come out to guard. I don't think anyone would suggest such defender doesn't have LGP before the offensive player turns to drive towards the defender.

It just doesn't make sense to allow an offensive player to move along, but not directly towards an opponent who is moving laterally relative to the offensive player, only to lunge towards the defender when the defender lifts a foot.

Since the book doesn't formally define path, I suggest that it means not only the direction the player is moving but any direction the player wants to move (to the basket). The very essence of defense is to cut off the path to the basket.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The play at 15:30 is just wrong....in the description. It is a block, but for reasons different than described.

The dialog says "No. 30 red, a secondary defender just outside of the restricted area, never initially establishes LGP by having both feet on the floor facing the opponent."

They then talk about jumping from position A to position B. In doing so, they freeze the action at position A with the defender having both feet on the floor facing the opponent. Huh?

It is still a block because the defender jumped towards the opponent, but it is ludicrous to suggest they player wasn't facing the opponent or didn't have two feet on the floor. The still shot they include right after that shows both of those things.

I agree with most of that. He definitely establishes LGP. I'm not convinced that the defender moved towards the offensive player in jumping from A to B. He seems to leap to the side.
If that were true, it harkens back to a comment made by the NFHS in this year's POE. Does anyone else recall the NFHS saying that a player could maintain LGP by jumping sideways? Is that statement accurate?
https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1006385
Note the words "or laterally" in POE #5. The NCAA does not seem to agree with that given its language about a defender needing to jump from A and return to A.