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travel off a dribble.
Im a new Ref studying for my test. I was watching this highschool game online for some practice and came across an akward play(link below).
https://youtu.be/3uh7dtDSv1I?t=11m27s At 11:35 when #5 gains possession of the ball he establishes his left foot as his pivot. Seems to me his pivot comes off the ground before the ball leaves his hand to start dribbling. Shouldn't this be a travel. Secondly. When #5 continues the play and "jump stops'; isn't this a travel as well. He has gathered the ball with his left foot on the ground, then does not land simultaneously on both feet. thoughts? |
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If you're talking about the play on 11:35 film time, I do not see a travel off the dribble. The jump stop is by definition a travel. Left off one foot and came down one foot at a time. These plays are hard to pick up as there is a lot if activity around the dribbler on the jump stop and an official may not always be paying as much attention to the feet as the other activity.
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What do you mean by "gather?" What does that word mean?
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travel off a dribble.
What BigCat would have said if he were in a better mood is that “gather” is announcer-speak for “ending the dribble.” The dribble ends while the dribbler is airborne. 2nd foot down is the pivot, but it doesn’t return to the floor until after the try has been released. No travel.
Frankly, even if the dribble had ended before the dribbler alighted with one foot, I’m probably not going to judge a simultaneous landing with any degree of certainty, and thus I’m passing on that one. If you call those marginal cases, A) often you’ll be wrong, and B) you’ll have a long season. A wiseman once said: “Better to pass on a travel that was there than to call one that wasn’t.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The term "gather" is not announcer speak at all. It is a description of when a dribble ends. To end the dribble the ball has to essentially be gathered by the ball handler for that dribble to stop or "caught" on some level. Just saying the dribble stops does not often explain what actually happened. I am all for rulebook terms, but rulebook terms do not describe everything.
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So much easier to embed the video BTW.
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So, when a player gets one hand under the ball such that another dribble would be a carry, the dribble has ended and travel rules are in effect at that moment.
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Take off is a travel but I had to freeze frame to see If foot came down after catch or on catch. By definition travel looked travelish but couldn’t see it for sure live.
Easier call is the pass to the player in question as passer clearly changes pivot feet on play. IME travels while not intended to be subjective are regionally often determined by impact and obviousness rather than letter of the law. As someone who has spent a long time being that guy on travels. You really don’t wanna be that guy.
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The dribble ends the moment hand goes under the ball. That's when you look to see what foot is on the ground. Which is the pivot. "Gather" makes people think the ball has to be caught/two hands before you look for the pivot. That's wrong. The term doesn't help. That's my opinion. And I agree with it
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But when most players are trying to go to the basket and take a shot, they typically grab the ball with both hands. Peace
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Also, I think if you are splitting hairs with how a dribble ends when the player is bringing the ball to both of their hands, then you will be awful inconsistent (IMO) in trying to determine what a fast moving player is doing. I like to use the "gather" or when players being the ball together with both of their hands because it is clearer when that took place and most of the time. So you lose me when you want to make it sound like the use of "gather" is confusing when that is what players do on these kinds of play and they make a move to the basket as in this video. He attempted a jump stop and shot attempt. It is just a line of demarcation. It is not the only way a dribble can end, but most plays like this do not end any other way. Peace
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