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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:05pm
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NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

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1) Official warnings for coach misconduct
2) Official warnings for coaching box violations
3) 28-foot coaching box
4) Uniform stuff
5) Two-hand reporting
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:15pm
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1) Official warnings for coach misconduct
2) Official warnings for coaching box violations
3) 28-foot coaching box
4) Uniform stuff
5) Two-hand reporting
Still only 1 hand for the number of the player. The other hand is for the number of free throws only. So, not quite the NBA yet...

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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:17pm
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Still only 1 hand for the number of the player. The other hand is for the number of free throws only. So, not quite the NBA yet...

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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:19pm
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Huh?
In the NBA, officials give the number with both hands. So, number 23 would be given as a 2 with one hand and 3 with the other. In NFHS, we give the 2, followed by 3, with the same hand.

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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:28pm
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In the NBA, officials give the number with both hands. So, number 23 would be given as a 2 with one hand and 3 with the other. In NFHS, we give the 2, followed by 3, with the same hand.

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I'm not sure how you interpreted anything other than the fact that two-hand reporting is now the standard in FED, even if the sentence was poorly worded.

And I'm with Rich, the wording of the release implies that one hand will no longer be optional under strict FED mechanics.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:51pm
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I'm not sure how you interpreted anything other than the fact that two-hand reporting is now the standard in FED, even if the sentence was poorly worded.
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I read it quickly.. two people could interpret it differently...

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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 03:09pm
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"After verbally informing the offender, the official shall use fingers on two hands to indicate to the scorer the number of the offender and the number of free throws."

Somehow I think we will still be using one hand to indicate "2 shots". But good to know that when I call a multiple foul on 3 players during unsuccessful 3-point try, I have options.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:20pm
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Still only 1 hand for the number of the player. The other hand is for the number of free throws only. So, not quite the NBA yet...

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I get that the sentence was not worded great in the release, but we will be reporting players with 2 hands.

Note the word "shall" - it is not an option to report with one hand.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:31pm
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I get that the sentence was not worded great in the release, but we will be reporting players with 2 hands.

Note the word "shall" - it is not an option to report with one hand.
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After verbally informing the offender, the official shall use fingers on two hands to indicate to the scorer the number of the offender and the number of free throws.
Hmm, I see what you mean. It could be interpreted both ways, but I think you are right.

So, are we giving the numbers with the table's perspective in mind? For example, the number 23 would be given '2' on the right hand and '3' on the left?

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For years, up until the very end, the purists' talking points about one-handed reporting were that high school table personnel were inexperienced and needed to be coddled with simplicity. And all of a sudden, Theresa says:

“This change was made to minimize reporting errors that occur between the officials and the scorekeepers. Two-handed reporting is easier for the scorekeepers to see and comprehend, and it is less confusing.

I chuckle at the sudden---and welcome---dose of common sense.

All in all, this is the best set of rule changes to come out of the NFHS in the last five years, at least. Kudos to the committee. Well done. Now if the editors can just figure out how to word stuff correctly so there aren't officials out there that think they should report the player's number with one hand and the number of free throws with the other.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 08:18pm
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For years, up until the very end, the purists' talking points about one-handed reporting were that high school table personnel were inexperienced and needed to be coddled with simplicity. And all of a sudden, Theresa says:

“This change was made to minimize reporting errors that occur between the officials and the scorekeepers. Two-handed reporting is easier for the scorekeepers to see and comprehend, and it is less confusing.

I chuckle at the sudden---and welcome---dose of common sense.
I thought the same thing.

I wonder how many officials won't use common sense and will report the foul such that it's read left to right from the official's perspective rather than the scorer's.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 08:43pm
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I thought the same thing.



I wonder how many officials won't use common sense and will report the foul such that it's read left to right from the official's perspective rather than the scorer's.


No doubt a few initially. But this is where associations will need to earn their dues this fall.

Five minutes of practice in front of a mirror is all it takes. Right hand followed by left hand, and you can prep as you move to the reporting area. Only time this is a little tricky is when you have to score the goal first.

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I thought the same thing.

I wonder how many officials won't use common sense and will report the foul such that it's read left to right from the official's perspective rather than the scorer's.
Here's hoping that the manual or rule book will specific the proper signaling.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 02:32pm
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Yes.
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Old Thu May 11, 2017, 03:10pm
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So now we have three types of official warnings we can issue...

1) Delay warnings (4 infractions)
2) Head coach/bench personnel misconduct
3) Head coach being outside the box

Or will (2) and (3) be lumped together as one "warning," with the next misconduct/box violation being a direct T?
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