NFHS 2017-18 Rules Changes

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Right now the Lead has not visible counts in NF mechanics (or NCAA Men's).

I'll respond in depth to the rest later but this caught my eye. Little known fact but the Lead actually is supposed to count closely guarded in their area.

NFHS Mechanics Manual 5.3.2-B-1 "Officials are responsible for a silent and visible five-second closely guarded (within 6 feet) count within their primary coverage area."

Unlike the NCAA-M manual which splits the closely guarded count between the Trail and Slot officials, the NFHS makes no such distinction.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I'll respond in depth to the rest later but this caught my eye. Little known fact but the Lead actually is supposed to count closely guarded in their area.

NFHS Mechanics Manual 5.3.2-B-1 "Officials are responsible for a silent and visible five-second closely guarded (within 6 feet) count within their primary coverage area."

Unlike the NCAA-M manual which splits the closely guarded count between the Trail and Slot officials, the NFHS makes no such distinction.

That is all wonderful, but you realize that the NF Mechanics book is only as good as the state that chooses to use it. We were told in my state not to have a count as the lead. So even what we are discussing only applies if your state or jurisdiction chooses to use that standard. The NF book also said you can bounce or hand the ball for all throw-ins, but my state does not give that option on the end line (ever). And unless I notice differently, when I watch high school games in other media, I never see the lead give a count for closely guarded. And that has nothing to do with the NBA as they do not have such a count. They do have a different rule where they can give a count, but that does not apply to us. IJS.

Peace

JRut you can't appeal to HS mechanics in one post and then dismiss them on the next because "my state doesn't follow them exactly". You said NFHS mechanics don't have the Lead count, which is untrue. I don't give a crap about what your state does.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JRut you can't appeal to HS mechanics in one post and then dismiss them on the next because "my state doesn't follow them exactly". You said NFHS mechanics don't have the Lead count, which is untrue. I don't give a crap about what your state does.

Actually I find it funny that people act like the NF makes all these decisions as ultimately what you do as an official. If the NF makes an official change, your state might and has in the past rejected such a change. Either way if the NF changes this or not, it is not much sweat off my back. I just reject the idea that the NBA or pros are so much better mechanically and then suggesting that a game that has different rule and even styles of play is automatically appropriate for our level.

I also said what mostly high school does and I really do not care what the book says because it does not seem to be taught that way. Now you can argue, but I have seen many state's literature or trainings where no such backing of that states. And if you have been paying attention to this site or me, many states have their own ideas of what they ultimately do. So even if the NF changes tomorrow, there are places that are going to do whatever they want to do. If you do not believe me, do a search about NF mechanics on this site of the variations from everything to the shirt those wear to if we go table side on certain mechanics. So I do not give a crap what you want the NF to do. It appears they do not care either based on history.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

.. many states have their own ideas of what they ultimately do. So even if the NF changes tomorrow, there are places that are going to do whatever they want to do.

Good example. Connecticut. 100% IAABO mechanics, and even then, we have some local variations within Connecticut, and some differences with "International" guidelines.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JRut you can't appeal to HS mechanics in one post and then dismiss them on the next because "my state doesn't follow them exactly". You said NFHS mechanics don't have the Lead count, which is untrue. I don't give a crap about what your state does.

For what it's worth, we count as the L.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... when I watch high school games in other media, I never see the lead give a count for closely guarded.

If your watching Connecticut, it may not only be the lead not counting. Not counting, by any official, is our biggest problem according to outside observers of Connecticut State tournament games.

[Adam]

I'm not a fan of making change for the sake of change, or just because the guys and gals at higher levels are doing it.

Rich's point convinced me, though.

We spend so much time debating "five two" vs "fifty-two" and "blue" vs "Purple", can two-hand reporting really be more difficult than learning whether to put a hand or a fist in the air?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

We spend so much time debating "five two" vs "fifty-two" and "blue" vs "Purple" ...

It's "Five Two", and "Blue". I'm 100% right and everybody else that says otherwise 100% wrong.

Now, that didn't take too much time, did it? And if you don't like it, then tough tarts, and I'll take my basketball and go home. Then where will you all be without a basketball?

Period. End of discussion. Can I make myself more clear?

Questions? Forget it. I'm not taking any damn questions.

Discussion? Also forget it. Discussion is not needed when I'm right and everybody that says otherwise is wrong.

And remember. I'm already an Esteemed Forum Member and I just reached 15,000 posts.

What's the next rank above Esteemed Forum Member?

Forum King?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's "Five Two", and "Blue". I'm 100% right and everybody else that says otherwise 100% wrong.

Now, that didn't take too much time, did it? And if you don't like it, then tough tarts, and I'll take my basketball and go home. Then where will you all be without a basketball?

Period. End of discussion. Can I make myself more clear?

Questions? Forget it. I'm not taking any damn questions.

Discussion? Also forget it. Discussion is not needed when I'm right and everybody that says otherwise is wrong.

And remember. I'm already an Esteemed Forum Member and I just reached 15,000 posts.

What's the next rank above Esteemed Forum Member?

Forum King?

Be careful, or I'll set your post count to a negative number.

[UNIgiantslayers]

Originally Posted by Rich

Be careful, or I'll set your post count to a negative number.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Period. End of discussion. Can I make myself more clear?

Love the post, just wished you would have typed "..make myself clearer?"