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Old Sun Apr 02, 2017, 10:52am
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Six players on the court or FT violation

Had this happen yesterday at an AAU tournament game.
Player A-1 at the line for second of two free throws. Player B-1 at the table for a substitution. Both officials bekon him in but he is not paying attention. After a couple of times we ignore him and the ball is bounced to the free throw shooter A-1. Now Player B-1 decides he is going to come on to the floor and player B-2 in a marked lane space steps out to head to the table. The trail signals a delayed violation and the FT was missed.... but do we really have a T for 6 players on the floor? We just called the violation as it didn't seem there was a real advantage gained as the FT had not been shot yet.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2017, 11:01am
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Had this happen yesterday at an AAU tournament game.
Player A-1 at the line for second of two free throws. Player B-1 at the table for a substitution. Both officials bekon him in but he is not paying attention. After a couple of times we ignore him and the ball is bounced to the free throw shooter A-1. Now Player B-1 decides he is going to come on to the floor and player B-2 in a marked lane space steps out to head to the table. The trail signals a delayed violation and the FT was missed.... but do we really have a T for 6 players on the floor? We just called the violation as it didn't seem there was a real advantage gained as the FT had not been shot yet.
I think when he comes in and you see it you have a substitute T as opposed to 6 on floor. The difference is that a player who enters without being beckoned (he didnt enter when he was beckoned) is a T on him and counts as one of his 5 towards disqualification. 6 on floor is team tech that counts toward bonus but not towards any player. now, you know your environment. If its laid back AAu what you did was fine. It wasn't what rules say though.

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Old Sun Apr 02, 2017, 11:42am
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Do a better job of getting the subs' attention when you beckon them on

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Old Sun Apr 02, 2017, 12:05pm
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Yes. Slow down. They can't start without you. Understand what is going on. Talk to the kid and see if he wants in etc. save a lot of problems.
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Old Sun Apr 02, 2017, 12:13pm
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Yes. Slow down. They can't start without you. Understand what is going on. Talk to the kid and see if he wants in etc. save a lot of problems.

OR, since it's AAU, if you want to teach the kid a lesson -- tell him he can't com in , and when you see him start in, re-inforce it and keep him out.
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OR, since it's AAU, if you want to teach the kid a lesson -- tell him he can't com in , and when you see him start in, re-inforce it and keep him out.
Some would say the T would teach him as well.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 10:05am
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Some would say the T would teach him as well.
Keeping him out teaches him and shows you have control of the game. Also speeds it up as you dont have to shoot FTs and get into an argument with the coach. Preventative officiating is always better than playing the gotcha police.
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Old Mon Apr 03, 2017, 11:33am
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In AAU, whether I T or simply stand next to the player to prevent him from entering likely depends on how much trouble they've given me to this point. If this is the first sign of anything funky, I'm likely to do the latter.

If the coach has shown me that he has no desire to work with me (there are a number of ways he could have done this), then I'll probably just issue the T.
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