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SC Official Fri Mar 31, 2017 06:50pm

Women's Final Four
 
Officials for Stanford-SC are Joe Vaszily, Felicia Grinter, Michol Murray

Kansas Ref Fri Mar 31, 2017 07:12pm

Odd rule set in the women's game,. but go Uconn.

SC Official Fri Mar 31, 2017 09:06pm

UConn/MSU: Lisa Jones, Maj Forsberg, Jesse Dickerson

Wonder who will be working the final.

Nevadaref Fri Mar 31, 2017 09:11pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1004025)
Wonder who will be working the final.

The same people who do so every year. The NCAAW's administration does an awful job in this regard. I seriously doubt that someone at this level is so much better than several others to warrant numerous finals in a row.

ODog Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:16pm

The foul review in the UConn game with 26.6 left in OT is huge.

I don't know NCAAW rules, but in HS, I'd call this a common foul ... one that was just missed in this case.

AremRed Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:17pm

Dang they are swallowing the whistles.

JRutledge Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1004036)
The foul review in the UConn game with 26.6 left in OT is huge.

I don't know NCAAW rules, but in HS, I'd call this a common foul ... one that was just missed in this case.

I thought she flopped like a fish that jumped into the boat. That to me was a very questionable decision IMO.

More reasons why I rarely understand women's basketball.

Peace

AremRed Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:32pm

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1004036)
The foul review in the UConn game with 26.6 left in OT is huge.

I don't know NCAAW rules, but in HS, I'd call this a common foul ... one that was just missed in this case.

I didn't think it was flagrant either but a definite common foul. Which would have still resulted in UConn free throws. I'd wager Lead no-called it because of the steal prior to the ball getting there but it's still a foul IMO and I don't mind the flagrant 1 foul for contact above the shoulders.

Camron Rust Sat Apr 01, 2017 01:09am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1004038)
I thought she flopped like a fish that jumped into the boat. That to me was a very questionable decision IMO.

More reasons why I rarely understand women's basketball.

Peace

I agree. That contact wasn't excessive and had no effect on the play. It was more acting than contact.

Nevadaref Sat Apr 01, 2017 05:00am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004039)
I didn't think it was flagrant either but a definite common foul. Which would have still resulted in UConn free throws. I'd wager Lead no-called it because of the steal prior to the ball getting there but it's still a foul IMO and I don't mind the flagrant 1 foul for contact above the shoulders.

I saw it as a clear foul as well and was shocked that the Lead didn't have a whistle during live action and then just ran away from the player down on the court during the ensuing transition.

Players can't fling their arms around without regard for their opponents. This was contact to the head/neck with a forearm. FF1 is a perfectly fine decision after using the monitor.

PS If anyone was curious, SC was favored by 2 over Stanford and UConn was favored by 22.

chymechowder Sat Apr 01, 2017 06:49am

Does anyone have a link to the flagrant play? Can't find it

ODog Sat Apr 01, 2017 07:08am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004039)
I didn't think it was flagrant either but a definite common foul. Which would have still resulted in UConn free throws.

OK, but even the common foul happened some 15-20 seconds BEFORE they stopped play to review it. So, as someone who doesn't know NCAAW (or even NCAAM) rules, can someone who does walk me through:

1.) What triggers their ability to review this? A coach or player complaining they were hit in the face on a previous possession? The wild flop to the floor that plants the seed "Oh, we'll have to review that once Miss. St. takes their opportunity to try for goal"?

2.) If their review had led to the conclusion "Not much there; common foul at best," could they STILL award the bonus free throws? What about if the review turned up nothing ... just go to POI?

I'm glad UConn didn't end up scoring on the possession that followed the FTs. That would've been a tough pill to swallow for Miss. St.

Multiple Sports Sat Apr 01, 2017 07:46am

While I agree that many people will say there isn't a lot there, however by definition it can be viewed as an F1. IMO, officials on the men' s side have a tendency to pass on an F1 on that play but I think the women's game is more literal therefore resulting in an F1.

Now the whole argument as to time, score, the fact that the play was originally a no call is a whole other debate......

Raymond Sat Apr 01, 2017 07:52am

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1004051)
OK, but even the common foul happened some 15-20 seconds BEFORE they stopped play to review it. So, as someone who doesn't know NCAAW (or even NCAAM) rules, can someone who does walk me through:

1.) What triggers their ability to review this? A coach or player complaining they were hit in the face on a previous possession? The wild flop to the floor that plants the seed "Oh, we'll have to review that once Miss. St. takes their opportunity to try for goal"?

2.) If their review had led to the conclusion "Not much there; common foul at best," could they STILL award the bonus free throws? What about if the review turned up nothing ... just go to POI?

I'm glad UConn didn't end up scoring on the possession that followed the FTs. That would've been a tough pill to swallow for Miss. St.

Yes the coach can ask for a review similar, to a correctable error, and similarly administered.

And I said similarly, not "exactly".

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A Pennsylvania Coach Sat Apr 01, 2017 08:09am

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1004051)
OK, but even the common foul happened some 15-20 seconds BEFORE they stopped play to review it. So, as someone who doesn't know NCAAW (or even NCAAM) rules, can someone who does walk me through:

1.) What triggers their ability to review this? A coach or player complaining they were hit in the face on a previous possession? The wild flop to the floor that plants the seed "Oh, we'll have to review that once Miss. St. takes their opportunity to try for goal"?

Had there not been a dead ball, time could've expired before that play was reviewed. Would they still review it?


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