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Rich Ives Sat Apr 01, 2017 09:24am

1) She was hit in the throat

2) I gather none of you have been. If you had you'd know the reaction wasn't faked.

JRutledge Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:02am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 1004068)
1) She was hit in the throat

2) I gather none of you have been. If you had you'd know the reaction wasn't faked.

She was not hit in the throat like a punch. Yes I have been contacted in the head and neck area and did not react like that. And that is not the point. She IMO embellished the contact that normally happens in the course of any sport. They MSU player was just raising her arms as a receiver would be raising their arms and had some contact with the player. I see a lot more contact not get even a reaction and she acted like she was shot from the grassy knoll. It was not like the MSU player threw and elbow or pushed off. And if you watch enough basketball and certainly work enough basketball, players embellish contact all the time. Lebron James acts like this where he is barely touched. I have seen his reaction too and have the same reaction to his situations as I do to this UConn player. I am just glad this did not end up being the reason this game went to another OT or lost the game because of the way this was handled. I have also seen similar plays in NCAA Men's game called nothing or a common foul. FF to me was a bit much, but I do not act like I understand the NCAA Women's differences.

Peace

BigCat Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:29am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1004070)
She was not hit in the throat like a punch. Yes I have been contacted in the head and neck area and did not react like that. And that is not the point. She IMO embellished the contact that normally happens in the course of any sport. They MSU player was just raising her arms as a receiver would be raising their arms and had some contact with the player. I see a lot more contact not get even a reaction and she acted like she was shot from the grassy knoll. It was not like the MSU player threw and elbow or pushed off. And if you watch enough basketball and certainly work enough basketball, players embellish contact all the time. Lebron James acts like this where he is barely touched. I have seen his reaction too and have the same reaction to his situations as I do to this UConn player. I am just glad this did not end up being the reason this game went to another OT or lost the game because of the way this was handled. I have also seen similar plays in NCAA Men's game called nothing or a common foul. FF to me was a bit much, but I do not act like I understand the NCAA Women's differences.

Peace

The grassy knoll has me interested. Can you put the play up? Thx

Camron Rust Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 1004068)
1) She was hit in the throat

2) I gather none of you have been. If you had you'd know the reaction wasn't faked.

Touched in the throat, yes. Hit in the throat, no.

As Jeff said, she simply raised her arms over her head to intercept the imminent pass.

Referee24.7 Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:34pm

Being that they were within the "window" to go look at the monitor and review the play, they were correct by doing so and although maybe the reaction to the contact was a bit much, by the way the NCAA rule is written, the crew was 100% correct in assessing a FF1.

The play that happened after the FT's and at 12.3 where both bodies went down (offense and defense), that no-call was surprising to me. . .

Texas Aggie Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:00am

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Yes I have been contacted in the head and neck area
Forcibly? Was targeting called?

:D

The_Rookie Sun Apr 02, 2017 06:42pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1004015)
Officials for Stanford-SC are Joe Vaszily, Felicia Grinter, Michol Murray

Who is working the championship game?

mattmets Sun Apr 02, 2017 06:57pm

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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1004218)
Who is working the championship game?

Dee Kantner, Tina Napier, Brenda Pantoja

bucky Sun Apr 02, 2017 07:03pm

Dee Kanter of course.

SC Official Sun Apr 02, 2017 08:10pm

Mattingly not getting the Final Four this year is surprising simply because she's worked it for x number of years in a row before this year.

crosscountry55 Sun Apr 02, 2017 08:33pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004037)
Dang they are swallowing the whistles.

Same applied today, it seems, especially in the first half.

I don't watch much NCAAW, so I won't be terribly critical, but my general observation is that there were many contact no calls that I scarcely believe would have been no calls on the men's side. It almost seemed like there was a hesitance on the part of the crew to allow either team to get to the bonus too quickly in any given quarter.

On another note, I didn't catalogue the times, but I thought there were an inordinate number of questionable block/charge calls in the title game. In fact I can't recall any of them being called charges (there was an RA block in the second half---would like to see it again because I thought the drive started in the LDB---but that's as close as I recall any call coming to a charge).

bucky Sun Apr 02, 2017 08:45pm

Yes, Mattingly noticeably absent. Joseph Vaszily has a nice run going.

https://phillyref.com/basketball/postseasonwomen.html

JRutledge Sun Apr 02, 2017 09:40pm

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1004228)
Yes, Mattingly noticeably absent. Joseph Vaszily has a nice run going.

https://phillyref.com/basketball/postseasonwomen.html

She worked a Final Foul Semifinal. That is not too bad. But then again, how many in a row does she have?

Peace

SC Official Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:54pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1004235)
She worked a Final Foul Semifinal. That is not too bad. But then again, how many in a row does she have?

Peace

Mattingly did not work a Final Four game this year.

AremRed Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:45pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1004245)
Mattingly did not work a Final Four game this year.

Rut got confused cuz the PhillyRef link is to the 2016 FF officials which does list Mattingly on a semi.


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