Women's Final Four
 

Officials for Stanford-SC are Joe Vaszily, Felicia Grinter, Michol Murray

Odd rule set in the women's game,. but go Uconn.

UConn/MSU: Lisa Jones, Maj Forsberg, Jesse Dickerson

Wonder who will be working the final.

The same people who do so every year. The NCAAW's administration does an awful job in this regard. I seriously doubt that someone at this level is so much better than several others to warrant numerous finals in a row.

The foul review in the UConn game with 26.6 left in OT is huge.

I don't know NCAAW rules, but in HS, I'd call this a common foul ... one that was just missed in this case.

Dang they are swallowing the whistles.

I thought she flopped like a fish that jumped into the boat. That to me was a very questionable decision IMO.

More reasons why I rarely understand women's basketball.

Peace

I didn't think it was flagrant either but a definite common foul. Which would have still resulted in UConn free throws. I'd wager Lead no-called it because of the steal prior to the ball getting there but it's still a foul IMO and I don't mind the flagrant 1 foul for contact above the shoulders.

I agree. That contact wasn't excessive and had no effect on the play. It was more acting than contact.

I saw it as a clear foul as well and was shocked that the Lead didn't have a whistle during live action and then just ran away from the player down on the court during the ensuing transition.

Players can't fling their arms around without regard for their opponents. This was contact to the head/neck with a forearm. FF1 is a perfectly fine decision after using the monitor.

PS If anyone was curious, SC was favored by 2 over Stanford and UConn was favored by 22.

Does anyone have a link to the flagrant play? Can't find it

OK, but even the common foul happened some 15-20 seconds BEFORE they stopped play to review it. So, as someone who doesn't know NCAAW (or even NCAAM) rules, can someone who does walk me through:

1.) What triggers their ability to review this? A coach or player complaining they were hit in the face on a previous possession? The wild flop to the floor that plants the seed "Oh, we'll have to review that once Miss. St. takes their opportunity to try for goal"?

2.) If their review had led to the conclusion "Not much there; common foul at best," could they STILL award the bonus free throws? What about if the review turned up nothing ... just go to POI?

I'm glad UConn didn't end up scoring on the possession that followed the FTs. That would've been a tough pill to swallow for Miss. St.

While I agree that many people will say there isn't a lot there, however by definition it can be viewed as an F1. IMO, officials on the men' s side have a tendency to pass on an F1 on that play but I think the women's game is more literal therefore resulting in an F1.

Now the whole argument as to time, score, the fact that the play was originally a no call is a whole other debate......

Yes the coach can ask for a review similar, to a correctable error, and similarly administered.

And I said similarly, not "exactly".

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Had there not been a dead ball, time could've expired before that play was reviewed. Would they still review it?

1) She was hit in the throat

2) I gather none of you have been. If you had you'd know the reaction wasn't faked.

She was not hit in the throat like a punch. Yes I have been contacted in the head and neck area and did not react like that. And that is not the point. She IMO embellished the contact that normally happens in the course of any sport. They MSU player was just raising her arms as a receiver would be raising their arms and had some contact with the player. I see a lot more contact not get even a reaction and she acted like she was shot from the grassy knoll. It was not like the MSU player threw and elbow or pushed off. And if you watch enough basketball and certainly work enough basketball, players embellish contact all the time. Lebron James acts like this where he is barely touched. I have seen his reaction too and have the same reaction to his situations as I do to this UConn player. I am just glad this did not end up being the reason this game went to another OT or lost the game because of the way this was handled. I have also seen similar plays in NCAA Men's game called nothing or a common foul. FF to me was a bit much, but I do not act like I understand the NCAA Women's differences.

Peace

The grassy knoll has me interested. Can you put the play up? Thx

Touched in the throat, yes. Hit in the throat, no.

As Jeff said, she simply raised her arms over her head to intercept the imminent pass.

Being that they were within the "window" to go look at the monitor and review the play, they were correct by doing so and although maybe the reaction to the contact was a bit much, by the way the NCAA rule is written, the crew was 100% correct in assessing a FF1.

The play that happened after the FT's and at 12.3 where both bodies went down (offense and defense), that no-call was surprising to me. . .

Forcibly? Was targeting called?

:D

Who is working the championship game?

Dee Kantner, Tina Napier, Brenda Pantoja

Dee Kanter of course.

Mattingly not getting the Final Four this year is surprising simply because she's worked it for x number of years in a row before this year.

Same applied today, it seems, especially in the first half.

I don't watch much NCAAW, so I won't be terribly critical, but my general observation is that there were many contact no calls that I scarcely believe would have been no calls on the men's side. It almost seemed like there was a hesitance on the part of the crew to allow either team to get to the bonus too quickly in any given quarter.

On another note, I didn't catalogue the times, but I thought there were an inordinate number of questionable block/charge calls in the title game. In fact I can't recall any of them being called charges (there was an RA block in the second half---would like to see it again because I thought the drive started in the LDB---but that's as close as I recall any call coming to a charge).

Yes, Mattingly noticeably absent. Joseph Vaszily has a nice run going.

https://phillyref.com/basketball/postseasonwomen.html

She worked a Final Foul Semifinal. That is not too bad. But then again, how many in a row does she have?

Peace

Mattingly did not work a Final Four game this year.

Rut got confused cuz the PhillyRef link is to the 2016 FF officials which does list Mattingly on a semi.