NCAA Tournament Video Requests - Saturday March 18

[JRutledge]

I will be gone again and will not be back until Sunday.

So let us start a thread with this play on it. I will try to get all the plays up when I get home.

Peace

[OKREF]

Wisconsin-Villanova

15:33 second half. Block/Charge on a fast break

[Nevadaref]

CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

They knew it, talked about it, and said white had control. Which is, imo, complete nonsense. If that tip constitutes control, we need to reset the shot clock a lot more often lol.

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And actually not even that hard of a determination. They huddled for a long time and got it wrong.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

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I am even more surprised by this incorrect interpretation because NCAA-M emphasized team control fouls in situations exactly like this during multiple in-season training videos this season.

[cmb]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I emphasized it during the NCAA tourney last year on this forum.

You and JD Collins were on the same page because that is the exact same thing he referenced in the trainings.

I have plenty of deficiencies, but for some reason, this is one type of play I am pretty good at recognizing but I have a LOT of partners who struggle with it. A number of times I have come in as one of the non-calling officials and asked about team control (or told them if I happened to see the whole play), and they frequently seem like they hadn't even considered that we shouldn't be going to shoot free throws on the other end.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

Agreed. FF1 was a real possibility, otherwise, team control foul was 100% correct.

This crew didn't have a great game overall. They got their share of calls correct, but had other strange moments. For example, there was a play in the 2nd half in which the Lead called a held ball while both the C and T were whistling a foul against Wisconsin.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Agreed. FF1 was a real possibility, otherwise, team control foul was 100% correct.

This crew didn't have a great game overall. They got their share of calls correct, but had other strange moments. For example, there was a play in the 2nd half in which the Lead called a held ball while both the C and T were whistling a foul against Wisconsin.

I think there are two possible reasons that they didn't consider (or at least go with) and FF1....

1. The player reached out with his arm as he ran by, not a grab from behind.
2. The other player really didn't have an obvious advantage...he was chasing a ball that was going quite likely going OOB.

Of course, my point #2 is in contradiction with the fact that they deemed the Villanova player to have obtained control.

And I agree this crew have a rough game. I think there were several misses. However, the biggest ones I can think of favored Villanova. So, that certainly didn't cost them the game.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

I disagree that it was an F1 -- it was a TC foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

I believe that was the discussion.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I believe that was the discussion.

I don't remember exactly... but on the broadcast it was brought up... something like "we're waiting to get an explanation" and then someone (not sure if it was one of the game officials, the alternate, or someone involved with the monitor) said something to the effect of "trying to determine if team control had changed or not, and they determined that it had". Nothing was mentioned about a possible FF1.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

Peace

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Peace

Any chance of re-posting this? It isn't playing on YT, thanks.