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JRutledge Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:21am

NCAA Tournament Video Requests - Saturday March 18
 
I will be gone again and will not be back until Sunday.

So let us start a thread with this play on it. I will try to get all the plays up when I get home.

Peace

OKREF Sat Mar 18, 2017 03:18pm

Wisconsin-Villanova

15:33 second half. Block/Charge on a fast break

Nevadaref Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:06pm

CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

MechanicGuy Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1002779)
CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

They knew it, talked about it, and said white had control. Which is, imo, complete nonsense. If that tip constitutes control, we need to reset the shot clock a lot more often lol.

cmb Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:09pm

And actually not even that hard of a determination. They huddled for a long time and got it wrong.

jTheUmp Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1002779)
CBS
Wisconsin v Villanova
2nd half 36.4 seconds left
This is a team control foul!!!
Hope the crew gets this right.
Nope, they blew it and awarded FTs. A critical mistake.

I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

cmb Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:18pm

I am even more surprised by this incorrect interpretation because NCAA-M emphasized team control fouls in situations exactly like this during multiple in-season training videos this season.

Nevadaref Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 1002782)
I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

Agreed. FF1 was a real possibility, otherwise, team control foul was 100% correct.

This crew didn't have a great game overall. They got their share of calls correct, but had other strange moments. For example, there was a play in the 2nd half in which the Lead called a held ball while both the C and T were whistling a foul against Wisconsin.

bob jenkins Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 1002782)
I was just watching that myself... I thought they were discussing if it would be a FF1 or not. The WI player reached out and grabbed the Villanova player and there was no possible way for him to "play the ball" as they say. I would've strongly considered calling an intentional foul under FED rules.

I disagree that it was an F1 -- it was a TC foul.

cmb Sat Mar 18, 2017 04:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1002786)
I emphasized it during the NCAA tourney last year on this forum.

You and JD Collins were on the same page because that is the exact same thing he referenced in the trainings. :)

I have plenty of deficiencies, but for some reason, this is one type of play I am pretty good at recognizing but I have a LOT of partners who struggle with it. A number of times I have come in as one of the non-calling officials and asked about team control (or told them if I happened to see the whole play), and they frequently seem like they hadn't even considered that we shouldn't be going to shoot free throws on the other end.

bucky Sat Mar 18, 2017 06:29pm

Well, about 4:50 to go in the NW/Gonzaga game and there is a Zag player that blocks a shot by going through the hoop. Collins becomes unglued and runs on the court to receive immediate T. Officials totally missed the BI but Collins had no right to act that way, especially after his behavior earlier. Got too much of his dad in him, lol.

OKREF Sat Mar 18, 2017 06:31pm

You could clip the last 10 minutes of the Gonzaga/Northwestern game. Two observations. Missed a hand through the goal for a blocked shot, and it took way to long to deal with Collins.

paulsonj72 Sat Mar 18, 2017 07:37pm

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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 1002798)
You could clip the last 10 minutes of the Gonzaga/Northwestern game. Two observations. Missed a hand through the goal for a blocked shot, and it took way to long to deal with Collins.

NCAA statement on the call and subsequent T.

https://twitter.com/lukewinn/status/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

OKREF Sat Mar 18, 2017 09:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1002801)
NCAA statement on the call and subsequent T.

https://twitter.com/lukewinn/status/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

I'm saying Collins acted like an idiot all game, and should have been dealt with way earlier before that play.

AremRed Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 1002816)
I'm saying Collins acted like an idiot all game, and should have been dealt with way earlier before that play.

Collins acted like an idiot in all the games I saw this year.


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