Pac-12 Tournament (Video Request and video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

No, but his count WASN'T fast.....that's what I was saying.

I know....just messing with ya.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

ESPN: With 9:47 to play, Trier(AZ) makes a full-court layup and teammate grabs rim/net as ball still in net. Nothing called but looked like obvious BI.

Originally Posted by bucky

ESPN: With 3:22 (think) to go, drive down left middle and T ref calls a block, via restricted area, on secondary defender. Was the secondary defender in the air or grounded?

What game?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Looking for another play, this is what I found.

Play #4:



Play #5:



Peace

[diehardmason]

4. close play but I'd have to go with a block
5. Travel

[frezer11]

Play 4- I don't think the defense did anything wrong, charge.
Play 5- Travel, but admittedly, I might miss this one live, that was a pretty quick move.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by frezer11

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Play 5- Travel, but admittedly, I might miss this one live, that was a pretty quick move.

That move was sloppy enough that I would have called the travel and have.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What game?

Peace

Sorry, it would have been the Arizona game late Saturday night pacific time on ESPN.

[MechanicGuy]

Broken record time:

Play 5, by rule, is a travel. 99% of spin moves to the basket are travels.

That said, "the game of basketball", in practice, has decided that that is a legal move. And I'm not going to be the only official calling it, so I'm passing just like they did.

[Pantherdreams]

In regards to the travel. As advised by many here, if you need it in super slow mo to pick it up we probably aren't calling it.

I have always been an advocate of getting all of the travels even if it meant getting a couple of close ones wrong. I am aware that is puts me in the minority here in the general officiating universe so I do my best to act as Rome would have me act.

Problem with these sorts of plays is when the dribble ends? If I'm officiating the defense and there is traffic and he starts to pull the ball for a psin dribble then curls his arms/scoops the ball. That can be a hard get . . . back to my intial point. If i'm not sure without replay, most people I work with or for don't want you calling it.

[Camron Rust]

Play 4....easy charge. Ignore the announcers. It was way outside the RA and he had LGP for miles. His lateral movement was irrelevant since the shooter was still on the floor.

Play 5. Travel. Left is the pivot on the spin. Steps the the right, then to the left again.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

In regards to the travel. As advised by many here, if you need it in super slow mo to pick it up we probably aren't calling it.

I have always been an advocate of getting all of the travels even if it meant getting a couple of close ones wrong. I am aware that is puts me in the minority here in the general officiating universe so I do my best to act as Rome would have me act.

Problem with these sorts of plays is when the dribble ends? If I'm officiating the defense and there is traffic and he starts to pull the ball for a psin dribble then curls his arms/scoops the ball. That can be a hard get . . . back to my intial point. If i'm not sure without replay, most people I work with or for don't want you calling it.

I spent last March rewinding/reviewing every spin move I saw. None were, technically, legal. It's incredibly difficult/awkward to get that first foot down before ending your dribble. It just doesn't happen that way.

That said, oif neither coach, none of the players, none of the fans and nearly none of my fellow officials think that play is or should be illegal I'm not going to die on that hill.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I spent last March rewinding/reviewing every spin move I saw. None were, technically, legal. It's incredibly difficult/awkward to get that first foot down before ending your dribble. It just doesn't happen that way.

That said, if neither coach, none of the players, none of the fans and nearly none of my fellow officials think that play is or should be illegal I'm not going to die on that hill.

I did a similar video analysis.breakdown several years ago now involving the take off with open step vs cross over step pivot foot. Reality was that at any level 90%+ of all the open steps did not have the ball leaving contact with the hand before the back foot came off the ground. At the time I made an argument with our association that we were missing that 90%+ of those calls.

Similar response and result from our membership. If they needed video to see it and coaches/fans etc were fine they weren't going to make an issue of it. They would rather get the obvious ones only.

We actually had a couple of collegiate leagues that called it that way for a couple of years around here (which is where I got the inspiration). THey at one point had a NCAA Div 1 transfer who was called for 12 travels in her first game. They have since since backed off on it.