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[grunewar]

Check out Wake Forest's, Greg McClinton's three pointer on a baseball pass as time expires in the first half. Nothing but net.

They said it's the only three pointer he's EVER made in college! Clearly gone.....

[RedAndWhiteRef]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Check out Wake Forest's, Greg McClinton's three pointer on a baseball pass as time expires in the first half. Nothing but net.

They said it's the only three pointer he's EVER made in college! Clearly gone.....

Terrible defense by the Hokies. They left him wide open.

[RedAndWhiteRef]

UVa-Pitt 10:24 2H. UVa defender is straight up, Pitt player turns into him and foul is called on UVa

[MechanicGuy]

If Play #1, in the OP, is a travel, then college teams would score approximately 15 points a night.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

If Play #1, in the OP, is a travel, then college teams would score approximately 15 points a night.

I don't think it is even a travel by the most strict application of the rule (both feet came down at the same time so he gets to pick the pivot). So, yeah, I agree that if you call things travels that are not, scoring will suffer badly.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Check out Wake Forest's, Greg McClinton's three pointer on a baseball pass as time expires in the first half. Nothing but net.

They said it's the only three pointer he's EVER made in college! Clearly gone.....

If it was a pass as time expires, then wouldn't the ball become dead immediately?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bucky

If it was a pass as time expires, then wouldn't the ball become dead immediately?

What does the rule say?

Actually, who cares? If a player throws the ball one handed in the direction of the basket as time's expiring, tell me one official who would consider it anything but a try?

[john5396]

Originally Posted by Rich

What does the rule say?

Actually, who cares? If a player throws the ball one handed in the direction of the basket as time's expiring, tell me one official who would consider it anything but a try?

It was clearly a pass to the VT player who inbounded the ball.

Wait, I'm a baseball umpire and don't work basketball. Oh, and Im a VT grad. No, not a fan boy hear. Move along nothing to see. ;^)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

What does the rule say?

Actually, who cares? If a player throws the ball one handed in the direction of the basket as time's expiring, tell me one official who would consider it anything but a try?

Exactly. Not to mention the closest teammate to where he threw the ball was over 50 feet away. I'd say that was NOT a pass by any stretch of the imagination.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Rich

What does the rule say?

Actually, who cares? If a player throws the ball one handed in the direction of the basket as time's expiring, tell me one official who would consider it anything but a try?

Answering a question with a question. Nice. Don't you know the rule Rich?

Presuming grunewar is an official, that would be one. grunewar said it was a pass. Did you not read the post, lol? Maybe we should review the 2-point vs 3-point deflected pass thread. There will be some officials there that consider the ball being thrown in the direction of the basket anything but a try, lol.

[Rich]

Every play is a snowflake. There are no two that are alike.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

T The Trail T'd Allen immediately upon slamming the ball. Allen lost all benefit of the doubt a long time ago. You reap what you sow.

BNR, agree with everything you said, including most of the above, EXCEPT the T didn't hit the whistle or react until he saw the ball bounding away. Seems Grayson basically got T'ed because he didn't catch his own bounce/slam of the ball. Valid. (Doubtful if T would have heard any muttered swearing from that far away? But if he did, that is indeed another explanation. Just seems unlikely in that noisy setting. And even then, it seems he might be getting on himself. ... OK maybe THAT one is a stretch.)

[bob jenkins]

I think bucky was making a point about grunewar's description of the play as a "baseball pass" and his not calling it a "baseball-pass try"

All of us (including, I assume, bucky) knew what grunewar meant -- and I didn't get bucky's point until the latter discussion. Still, some of us do comment on other's word choices from time-to-time.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think bucky was making a point about grunewar's description of the play as a "baseball pass" and his not calling it a "baseball-pass try"

All of us (including, I assume, bucky) knew what grunewar meant -- and I didn't get bucky's point until the latter discussion. Still, some of us do comment on other's word choices from time-to-time.

And those who live in glass houses and all that....

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bucky

Answering a question with a question. Nice. Don't you know the rule Rich?

Presuming grunewar is an official, that would be one. grunewar said it was a pass. Did you not read the post, lol? Maybe we should review the 2-point vs 3-point deflected pass thread. There will be some officials there that consider the ball being thrown in the direction of the basket anything but a try, lol.

I'm wondering if you're being intentionally obtuse ... or if you simply don't get it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now ... but "baseball pass" is not a rulebook term. It's a descriptive term, and it means the ball was thrown overhand with one arm, like one would throw a baseball (or football). It doesn't mean it meets the definition of "pass" as used in basketball and specifically in the rules you're talking about.

A ball thrown at the basket with the intent of putting it IN that basket, is a try --- even if thrown overhand with one arm.

And you know that.