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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 02:38pm
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I'm wondering if you're being intentionally obtuse ... or if you simply don't get it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now ... but "baseball pass" is not a rulebook term. It's a descriptive term, and it means the ball was thrown overhand with one arm, like one would throw a baseball (or football). It doesn't mean it meets the definition of "pass" as used in basketball and specifically in the rules you're talking about.

A ball thrown at the basket with the intent of putting it IN that basket, is a try --- even if thrown overhand with one arm.

And you know that.
Obtuse? You have seen Shawshank Redemption, a good flick.

I hear what you are saying and yes, knew what he meant, which is why I had the EEK emoji and the LOLs. My mistake for wasting time with that.
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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 07:13pm
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UVa-Pitt 10:24 2H. UVa defender is straight up, Pitt player turns into him and foul is called on UVa
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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 10:30pm
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1:08 1H UVa/ND. UVa defender "reaches in," makes contact with only the ball and pokes it away and is called for a foul.
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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 10:45pm
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I think you can argue from that last angle that 33 White moved his torso into the ball-handler. I didn't really notice it during the broadcast.
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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 10:49pm
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1:08 1H UVa/ND. UVa defender "reaches in," makes contact with only the ball and pokes it away and is called for a foul.
I do not think that is why the foul was called. It appeared to be called for the body contact that loosened the ball.

Here is the play.

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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 11:23pm
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Nothing on the Va.-Pitt play. I'm not even gonna split the hair on whether the post defender moved toward the offensive player. That's great defense.

Nothing on the Va.-ND "reach in" play. Because, well, nothing happened.

Clear BI on the tugging-the-net play.
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Old Thu Mar 09, 2017, 11:59pm
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 03:20am
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I think you can argue from that last angle that 33 White moved his torso into the ball-handler. I didn't really notice it during the broadcast.
Agree. Moving forward, knocks shooter off balance and causes him to lose the ball.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 08:43am
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I'm not judging the call one way or another. I just don't agree with the Trail coming to get this play when the Lead was right there and the Center (his primary in transition) had a clear look.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 10:46am
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I'm not judging the call one way or another. I just don't agree with the Trail coming to get this play when the Lead was right there and the Center (his primary in transition) had a clear look.
That is why I post these plays man. I like it when people find little stuff that is not upfront in the video. I agree. I think the Lead or the Center had this play better. I see why he called it, but I think he was not the best person to call it.

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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 11:56am
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I'm not judging the call one way or another. I just don't agree with the Trail coming to get this play when the Lead was right there and the Center (his primary in transition) had a clear look.
Hmm. My first thought was that was a good get by the new T. The old T is starting to transition and is a bit straitlined, the C is all the way across the court, and T was following the play. I think he got it right, and particularly in crunch time, this is a great call. The bump causing the travel pretty much forced him to make it, I'm guessing it was going to be a play on if the ballhandler kept going up the floor. I liked his mechanics in that he closed down on it and was decisive and clear.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:40pm
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If you're going to take a call right in front of your partner, particularly one in perfect position, it better be obvious and right. And it wasn't. The player had LGP and got run into. He didn't do anything wrong. It wasn't a block. Even if you don't agree with it not being a block, that isn't the type of call to go get that far away like that.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:52pm
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Hmm. My first thought was that was a good get by the new T. The old T is starting to transition and is a bit straitlined, the C is all the way across the court, and T was following the play. I think he got it right, and particularly in crunch time, this is a great call. The bump causing the travel pretty much forced him to make it, I'm guessing it was going to be a play on if the ballhandler kept going up the floor. I liked his mechanics in that he closed down on it and was decisive and clear.
The Lead and Trail have the same angle from opposite sides of the play, so I don't know how the Lead is straight-lined and the Trail is not.

The C has sideline-to-sideline in transition, especially at the mid-court area, that play is his primary.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 12:54pm
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The Lead and Trail have the same angle from opposite sides of the play, so I don't know how the Lead is straight-lined and the Trail is not.

The C has sideline-to-sideline in transition, especially at the mid-court area, that play is his primary.
Agree. The new T was looking through several other players too. Not a good look.
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Old Fri Mar 10, 2017, 08:39pm
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Hmmmm....foul on 3pt shot, 13:00 in 2H.
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