A lot going on during this play. (Video)

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Freddy

The contact at :07 was worthy of a call.

"Worthy of a call?" I'd go intentional on that, at minimum, depending on temperature of the game. Two forearms directly to the opponents head.

Two person, in the dead corner, in front of a bench. Pretty much the perfect storm for crap like this to escalate.

[Rich]

The T has to get over there and officiate on ball in his primary.

It's a foul at :07, but likely nothing more than a common foul.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich

The T has to get over there and officiate on ball in his primary.

It's a foul at :07, but likely nothing more than a common foul.

Rich:

You are absolutely correct. If you get G1's foul against W1 and everything else is irrelevant because the game is now stopped and nothing else happened.

MTD, Sr.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

"Worthy of a call?" I'd go intentional on that, at minimum ...

That was my instant reaction as well. Absolutely.

The second one was intentional also, but it's too far gone at that point.

[deecee]

That first foul needs to be called. And it's not intentional.

[bob jenkins]

If you don't get it, then there are a lot of ejections for leaving the bench when a fight may break out.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If you don't get it, then there are a lot of ejections for leaving the bench when a fight may break out.

Always listen to Bob! Get the first foul.

[CJP]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

"Worthy of a call?" I'd go intentional on that, at minimum, depending on temperature of the game. Two forearms directly to the opponents head.

I think an "Intentional Foul" is justifiable here.

[Camron Rust]

The first is not a passable call...any official that sees that should call it from any position, forget primaries. It is a hard foul, but not an intentional. Call it and the play ends.

After that, since it wasn't called, you have another foul on gold 2 that I believe would be intentional, then a bunch of Ts for people coming onto the floor for a possible fight. I do not see a foul on the player in white.

[Rufus]

During camp last year they emphasized that loose balls are not an excuse for a free-for-all and that, if you get the first player piling on, you avoid a lot of grief later.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by Rufus

During camp last year they emphasized that loose balls are not an excuse for a free-for-all and that, if you get the first player piling on, you avoid a lot of grief later.

I don't know... I had a "coach whose been doing this for 20 years" tell me earlier this season that you couldn't foul anyone if the ball was loose.

Gotta admit, that took me off my game for a minute or so because I just couldn't figure out where he could've come up with that one.

Back on topic:
Definitely should've had a foul on the initial shove... I'd lean towards intentional myself.

If you don't call that, I think there could've been a backcourt violation a couple of seconds later, but it's close enough that I'd probably have passed on it. (Also, have fun with explaining to the coach why you called a best-eyes-in-the-game backcourt violation on his team 2 seconds after passing on one of his players getting shoved to the ground).

After that, we're in "sort out how many people are going to be disqualified" territory.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I don't know... I had a "coach whose been doing this for 20 years" tell me earlier this season that you couldn't foul anyone if the ball was loose.

Yep, I've heard that a couple times this season. "how is that a foul?!", "Coach, your guy dove into the other guy's knees (who was standing still)", "BUT IT WAS A LOOSE BALL!!" "Oh, well in that case... "

On the OP, that first foul isn't even close and should be gotten 100/100 times. And if I have a good enough angle to see the defender bury an elbow in the kids ear in the process I would not have a problem with an intentional.

[RefRich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The first is not a passable call...any official that sees that should call it from any position, forget primaries. It is a hard foul, but not an intentional. Call it and the play ends.

After that, since it wasn't called, you have another foul on gold 2 that I believe would be intentional, then a bunch of Ts for people coming onto the floor for a possible fight. I do not see a foul on the player in white.

There is absolutely no attempt to get the ball. He takes both forearms into the player sitting on the floor. This is an intentional foul and like others have said, you get that call and the rest is moot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RefRich

There is absolutely no attempt to get the ball. He takes both forearms into the player sitting on the floor. This is an intentional foul and like others have said, you get that call and the rest is moot.

Pushing a player out of the way in an attempt to get to the ball happens all the time. That is all that was. You get any call on that and the rest is moot.