A lot going on during this play. (Video)

[RefRich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The first is not a passable call...any official that sees that should call it from any position, forget primaries. It is a hard foul, but not an intentional. Call it and the play ends.

After that, since it wasn't called, you have another foul on gold 2 that I believe would be intentional, then a bunch of Ts for people coming onto the floor for a possible fight. I do not see a foul on the player in white.

There is absolutely no attempt to get the ball. He takes both forearms into the player sitting on the floor. This is an intentional foul and like others have said, you get that call and the rest is moot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RefRich

There is absolutely no attempt to get the ball. He takes both forearms into the player sitting on the floor. This is an intentional foul and like others have said, you get that call and the rest is moot.

Pushing a player out of the way in an attempt to get to the ball happens all the time. That is all that was. You get any call on that and the rest is moot.

[JRutledge]

This is a perfect reason you need 3 person. An official at the very least would have been right on top of this play at the very least. That being said, I am shocked this was not called at some point with 2 person. This play was out in the open and the official moved his position and still did not see all the contact. Makes me wonder the experience level of the official as I cannot imagine letting any of this go because of what happen immediately after the play.

Now let us talk about what we do with the benches here? Are we ejecting anyone after nothing was originally called? It looks like the I see possibly 4 players come off the gold team bench (3 have warm ups that I can count) and I could make a case for about the same on the white bench, even though they are kind of in front of their bench. Now this appears to be the end of the quarter or half on some level, would that matter to anyone?

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is a perfect reason you need 3 person. An official at the very least would have been right on top of this play at the very least. That being said, I am shocked this was not called at some point with 2 person. This play was out in the open and the official moved his position and still did not see all the contact. Makes me wonder the experience level of the official as I cannot imagine letting any of this go because of what happen immediately after the play.

Now let us talk about what we do with the benches here? Are we ejecting anyone after nothing was originally called? It looks like the I see possibly 4 players come off the gold team bench (3 have warm ups that I can count) and I could make a case for about the same on the white bench, even though they are kind of in front of their bench. Now this appears to be the end of the quarter or half on some level, would that matter to anyone?

Peace

My first thought:

If the crew is that unaware that they didn't get a foul on the play, there's no chance they're aware of who, if anyone, comes off the bench.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

My first thought:

If the crew is that unaware that they didn't get a foul on the play, there's no chance they're aware of who, if anyone, comes off the bench.

This crew's handling of this situation is a loss cause. But even if you called the foul you might have people come off the bench as it would take officials some time to get to them or likely stop a reaction. I was wondering about what we see and what we would do.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

No play on the ball. Two forearms extending in the upper shoulders/head area.

This is not a common foul. Only way it is if, because it's in the 2-p dead corner, neither of the officials got a credible look at exactly what the gold player did.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

No play on the ball. Two forearms extending in the upper shoulders/head area.

This is not a common foul. Only way it is if, because it's in the 2-p dead corner, neither of the officials got a credible look at exactly what the gold player did.

IMO, he went through the player to try to get to the ball. Sometimes they do stupid things, but that doesn't mean I'm upgrading this.

[Amesman]

What's really a shame is L, rightly or wrongly, looks like he was starting to head back the other way and seemed to have eyes on the ball/at the point of contact. Could have nipped it in the bud with a strong whistle.

[udbrky]

I like a flagrant with an EJ for that shove.

Then a possible double T for the re- and re-re-shove on the 2 in the corner

and EJ's for those leaving the bench.

This is such a great example of getting the first call right and preventive officiating imo. You bang that first foul and none of this other **** happens.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by udbrky

I like a flagrant with an EJ for that shove.

A disqualification for a shove? That's a hard sell IMO.