Ball off Face!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

It is also relevant that this throw occurs at about a 4 count, which falls more on the intentional act column. And it hasn't been said yet, but we only have a problem with this because it was a face shot, correct? If he bounces this off the guys knee or hits him in the junk do we just have an out of bounds situation?

Yes on the leg, etc. (I won't even address the junk -- if he's trying to bounce it out of bounds, that's a poor choice of targets).

There's no specific rule that forbids the player from bouncing it off another player. In 99.9% of these situations, that's considered "smart basketball."

This is the 0.1% play.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's no specific rule that forbids the player from bouncing it off another player.

You are suggesting that it is perfectly OK to intentionally throw a ball very hard directly at an opponent. Perhaps you meant lightly deflecting off an opponent.

I do not agree with the strategy as far as rules are concerned. See my tag line. Not looking for a debate and won't respond any more to this thread. Clearly any time it occurs it is an unsporting act. Again, see my tag line.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bucky

You are suggesting that it is perfectly OK to intentionally throw a ball very hard directly at an opponent. Perhaps you meant lightly deflecting off an opponent.

I do not agree with the strategy as far as rules are concerned. See my tag line. Not looking for a debate and won't respond any more to this thread. Clearly any time it occurs it is an unsporting act. Again, see my tag line.

If a player throws it off a leg intentionally, it's not going to be anything but a ball hitting a defender's leg.

I have not called an unsporting technical on such a play in 30 years. The play in this thread is the elephant in the room, the flagrant technical. I've seen inbounders throw balls off defenders at least a few times a month and never has it once crossed my mind to do anything other than to call the out of bounds violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

You are suggesting that it is perfectly OK to intentionally throw a ball very hard directly at an opponent. Perhaps you meant lightly deflecting off an opponent.

I do not agree with the strategy as far as rules are concerned. See my tag line. Not looking for a debate and won't respond any more to this thread. Clearly any time it occurs it is an unsporting act. Again, see my tag line.

I'm lost as to what your tag line has to do with this conversation.

[OKREF]

This is a 2 man crew. I had the team in white last year in the playoffs. In my opinion there's no way the lead doesn't get this. To me it's an unsporting flagrant act. Red team takes one in the face and their coach gets a T, not the best outcome.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bucky

You are suggesting that it is perfectly OK to intentionally throw a ball very hard directly at an opponent. Perhaps you meant lightly deflecting off an opponent.

I do not agree with the strategy as far as rules are concerned. See my tag line. Not looking for a debate and won't respond any more to this thread. Clearly any time it occurs it is an unsporting act. Again, see my tag line.

Bucky, throwing ball hard off opponent while going OB or to avoid 5 count has been in game and acceptable forever. If it goes in face or privates that's a problem. If somebody winds up on the floor for no reason and wings it at somebody another decision has to be made.

I know you aren't looking for debate. Being unwilling to defend your position is a $5 fine...

[Rob1968]

Case Book 10.4.6 mentions some of the thought-process elements that the covering official can use when such an action occurs. The force with which the pass is made is not mentioned. Surely, that can be an element in the judgment of the official.
Sometimes, you just have to officiate the game . . .
That's why we get the big bucks . . .
(and a few other cliches I won't mention . . .)