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On a serious note, I have a flagrant foul for this action. As someone else mentioned, not every thrown ball that hits an opposing player is the same.
But, in this case, it is clear the player seeks out the face of his opponent and throws the ball directly and forcefully. It is extreme and violent in nature. |
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It is also relevant that this throw occurs at about a 4 count, which falls more on the intentional act column. And it hasn't been said yet, but we only have a problem with this because it was a face shot, correct? If he bounces this off the guys knee or hits him in the junk do we just have an out of bounds situation?
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There's no specific rule that forbids the player from bouncing it off another player. In 99.9% of these situations, that's considered "smart basketball." This is the 0.1% play. |
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I had a similar situation that has helped me prepare for this conduct.
It was a GV game, and an end-line throw-in similar to the situation in this thread video. In my case, when I got to a 4 count, the in-bounder threw the ball very hard at the upper torso of the defender but missed, and the ball went up court and out of bounds. It caught me somewhat off-guard, and I talked to the player at that moment. I later considered what I would do in the future if the ball had hit the opponent in the upper torso (vs the head, or the legs). For this video, I have a flagrant technical, no hesitation. |
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Directly, perhaps. Off of a bounce pass, I doubt it.
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I do not agree with the strategy as far as rules are concerned. See my tag line. Not looking for a debate and won't respond any more to this thread. Clearly any time it occurs it is an unsporting act. Again, see my tag line.
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I have not called an unsporting technical on such a play in 30 years. The play in this thread is the elephant in the room, the flagrant technical. I've seen inbounders throw balls off defenders at least a few times a month and never has it once crossed my mind to do anything other than to call the out of bounds violation. |
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This is a 2 man crew. I had the team in white last year in the playoffs. In my opinion there's no way the lead doesn't get this. To me it's an unsporting flagrant act. Red team takes one in the face and their coach gets a T, not the best outcome.
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Case Book 10.4.6 mentions some of the thought-process elements that the covering official can use when such an action occurs. The force with which the pass is made is not mentioned. Surely, that can be an element in the judgment of the official.
Sometimes, you just have to officiate the game . . . That's why we get the big bucks . . . (and a few other cliches I won't mention . . .)
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