Ball off Face!

[BigCat]

We can't tell who was looking at what. When I'm that close to the thrower I do have an eye there. Can't really say what all these guys looking at. None may have looked... Can't say what Coach said to zebra. If I was coach and saw the entire play I'd probably get tossed.

On film, This was flagrant and the kid should be tossed. For more than a game. He looks at kids head and throws it hard right at it. Walks off for ball with no remorse. Its a battery.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Walks off for ball with no remorse.

Rather striking, isn't it? He's gone.

[jpgc99]

But if the trail isn't looking there, how will he call a five second violation??

[jpgc99]

On a serious note, I have a flagrant foul for this action. As someone else mentioned, not every thrown ball that hits an opposing player is the same.

But, in this case, it is clear the player seeks out the face of his opponent and throws the ball directly and forcefully. It is extreme and violent in nature.

[ballgame99]

It is also relevant that this throw occurs at about a 4 count, which falls more on the intentional act column. And it hasn't been said yet, but we only have a problem with this because it was a face shot, correct? If he bounces this off the guys knee or hits him in the junk do we just have an out of bounds situation?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

It is also relevant that this throw occurs at about a 4 count, which falls more on the intentional act column. And it hasn't been said yet, but we only have a problem with this because it was a face shot, correct? If he bounces this off the guys knee or hits him in the junk do we just have an out of bounds situation?

Yes on the leg, etc. (I won't even address the junk -- if he's trying to bounce it out of bounds, that's a poor choice of targets).

There's no specific rule that forbids the player from bouncing it off another player. In 99.9% of these situations, that's considered "smart basketball."

This is the 0.1% play.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's no specific rule that forbids the player from bouncing it off another player.

You are suggesting that it is perfectly OK to intentionally throw a ball very hard directly at an opponent. Perhaps you meant lightly deflecting off an opponent.

I do not agree with the strategy as far as rules are concerned. See my tag line. Not looking for a debate and won't respond any more to this thread. Clearly any time it occurs it is an unsporting act. Again, see my tag line.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

It is also relevant that this throw occurs at about a 4 count, which falls more on the intentional act column. And it hasn't been said yet, but we only have a problem with this because it was a face shot, correct? If he bounces this off the guys knee or hits him in the junk do we just have an out of bounds situation?

I had a guy I knew here who tossed a kid for throwing a bounce pass for an inbounds at a guys junk. The state didnt back up the ejection and let the kid play. If a guys hands are in the air and I powerfully bounce into his junk isnt that more than a T? Especially if the two had been jawing at eachother during the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigT

I had a guy I knew here who tossed a kid for throwing a bounce pass for an inbounds at a guys junk. The state didnt back up the ejection and let the kid play. If a guys hands are in the air and I powerfully bounce into his junk isnt that more than a T? Especially if the two had been jawing at eachother during the game.

Directly, perhaps. Off of a bounce pass, I doubt it.