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Old Fri Feb 10, 2017, 01:15pm
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Well that is a different issue, but they want a double foul on this and the rules support this. There was a video early in the year (Kansas vs. Indiana) where a blarge happen and the NCAA Supervisor said that this was to be a double foul by rule. So it appears no one agrees with you on this that matters.

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And if everybody in the NCAA is on the same page, that's fine. But the play in this thread is a perfect example of why the system is flawed. Two officials made two calls. One is right, the other is wrong, so the logical thing to do is.......... REPORT BOTH OF THEM??

Why?
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2017, 01:25pm
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And if everybody in the NCAA is on the same page, that's fine. But the play in this thread is a perfect example of why the system is flawed. Two officials made two calls. One is right, the other is wrong, so the logical thing to do is.......... REPORT BOTH OF THEM??

Why?
Ask the committee of coaches and administrators who write the rules!!
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2017, 01:26pm
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And if everybody in the NCAA is on the same page, that's fine. But the play in this thread is a perfect example of why the system is flawed. Two officials made two calls. One is right, the other is wrong, so the logical thing to do is.......... REPORT BOTH OF THEM??

Why?
Is the system flawed or is the official's mechanics flawed? The system as that this is the call of the Lead Official. So the Center should not even be expecting to signal on this play. Now we can question the judgment on this particular play with the official in the lead, but this is his call by mechanic. That is more of a hard fast "rule" in the NCAA level than it is in the NF or high school level mechanics. Because if you pick one, then the debate will be over who was actually right that should have reported the foul. So you cannot win either way. The bottom line is the Center should have held up but he was so eager to make a call, he helped cause this situation. He was also the person the furthest away from the call, so he should have been very judicious in making this call in the first place.

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Old Fri Feb 10, 2017, 01:35pm
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Is the system flawed or is the official's mechanics flawed?
In this case, both.

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Because if you pick one, then the debate will be over who was actually right that should have reported the foul.
No more than the debate over whether any other close call was right or wrong.

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So you cannot win either way.
If you get the call right, you win.
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2017, 01:41pm
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In this case, both.



No more than the debate over whether any other close call was right or wrong.



If you get the call right, you win.
At the end of the day, the rules makers decided they wanted that to take place. We do not make the rules or even have much suggestion other than a survey. So if they want that changed, they will change it. And it will still be "flawed" in my eyes because the coach or player that has the "wrong" call called on them, we will be arguing about a different aspect of the rule. Again, you are not going to make everyone happy and I would not try to. The rule is the rule, not much I am going to worry about it at this point.

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