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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 09:00am
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Yes, I do get defensive. Not so much when one or two people jump on the bash-wagon, but when it's three or more people I tend to take a step back and ask "WTF?"
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When 3 or more people jump in maybe it's an indication to re-examine the subject matter for a new perspective. I've changed my viewpoint on issues under such circumstances. Not because someone else criticized me and I fell in line, but because I went back at looked at the matter with new eyes and an open-mind. Defensiveness interferes with learning and growing.
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 09:06am
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When 3 or more people jump in maybe it's an indication to re-examine the subject matter for a new perspective. I've changed my viewpoint on issues under such circumstances. Not because someone else criticized me and I fell in line, but because I went back at looked at the matter with new eyes and an open-mind. Defensiveness interferes with learning and growing.
But it wasn't something I started doing because I thought I should. I followed what other officials, some of which I worked with and saw them do it, and others that have mentioned this "courtesy".

So whether I agree with doing it or not is meaningless. It's what is done around here. Now, I'll be more than happy to bring up the issues presented here to my association and assignors. But if that's what they want then that's what I'm going to do.
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 09:10am
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I just sent an email to my association rules interpreter. I will let you know what he says.
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 10:58am
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But it wasn't something I started doing because I thought I should. I followed what other officials, some of which I worked with and saw them do it, and others that have mentioned this "courtesy".

So whether I agree with doing it or not is meaningless. It's what is done around here. Now, I'll be more than happy to bring up the issues presented here to my association and assignors. But if that's what they want then that's what I'm going to do.
There are a few officials in my area who do this. They also tend to be the ones who hunt down the ball after the game. One even likes to do post-game handshakes with the table. There are some very good officials who have carried on very bad habits over the years.
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 11:06am
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There are a few officials in my area who do this. They also tend to be the ones who hunt down the ball after the game. One even likes to do post-game handshakes with the table. There are some very good officials who have carried on very bad habits over the years.
Yeah, those are things I would not do. But I guess you're only as good as those that teach you. Looking forward to the answer I get from my question to the rules interpreter.
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 11:13am
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Yeah, those are things I would not do. But I guess you're only as good as those that teach you. Looking forward to the answer I get from my question to the rules interpreter.
I'm not saying they are bad officials. Some of the ones around here who do it are considered top-level officials. I take a lot from them, especially on how to deal with coaches.
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Old Wed Feb 08, 2017, 11:53am
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I'm not saying they are bad officials. Some of the ones around here who do it are considered top-level officials. I take a lot from them, especially on how to deal with coaches.
I probably do one or two things that would have people scratching their heads, too.

But I also have changed a few things based on what I've been taught here.
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