Courtesy comment to coach

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I see Billy here and some others say certain phrases shouldn't be used as officials as you suggest above. I think it's overblown here...by a lot. I know multiple final four officials who use some, not all, of the phrases some here say are taboo. They simply care about getting call right. "No shot" or "on the floor." They just don't want to shoot two and really don't care about the words that come out. They want to communicate in words all understand. "On the floor" may be wrong/taboo by the words of the rule but everybody understands the phrase. Many, many good referees use it.

Get the call right. Communicate so people understand what your calling. Substance over form.

And as an example, if you go to the table and say 32 blue "displacement" you've proven you can read. If you say 32 blue "push." Your telling people what happened in words they understand.

And finally, you should kick in money to a fund for the length of your post. 10 bucks I'd say. Mine was just under the threshold for a fine...imagine that.

Well said. I will say "No Shot," or "On the floor," often for this exact reason: No one misunderstands what my call is.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by frezer11

Well said. I will say "No Shot," or "On the floor," often for this exact reason: No one misunderstands what my call is.

I quit saying "on the floor" after I had a bunch of coaches complain when I called a shooting foul when the shooter hadn't left the floor yet. I still get those complaints, but I'm at least not contributing to the problem. "Before the shot" works just as well, and it's got the added benefit of verbal accuracy. More importantly, it doesn't perpetuate a stupid myth.

I have the same issues with "over the back" and "reaching in." Sure, most coaches know what is meant, but there are quite a few who legitimately think reaching over the back is a foul regardless of contact. Why? Partly because as they worked up from lower levels, it was called that way.

Endline/baseline? I don't give a rat's ass. Call/Request a timeout? Not important.

Originally Posted by Adam

I quit saying "on the floor" after I had a bunch of coaches complain when I called a shooting foul when the shooter hadn't left the floor yet.

This is my 5th season and I have yet to hear a coach/player/fan say this. Perhaps they are a little more educated in my area.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

This is my 5th season and I have yet to hear a coach/player/fan say this. Perhaps they are a little more educated in my area.

It doesn't happen much above the middle school level, but I learned to get that term from my vocabulary. There are just too many legitimate alternatives that don't perpetuate the myths.

You do you, bruh.

[BryanV21]

While I've worked at creating better rapports with coaches, I stick close by my rule of not talking to them unless it's to answer a question or if I have to (like "coach, you have one time out left"). I'm definitely not looking for reasons to speak with them.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

While I've worked at creating better rapports with coaches, I stick close by my rule of not talking to them unless it's to answer a question or if I have to (like "coach, you have one time out left"). I'm definitely not looking for reasons to speak with them.

There's no need to tell them they have 1 left, either.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's no need to tell them they have 1 left, either.

Preventative officiating. It takes a few seconds to walk over and let them know. I'd rather do that than call a technical in a tight situation late in the game. At least one that can be avoided.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Adam

I quit saying "on the floor" after I had a bunch of coaches complain when I called a shooting foul when the shooter hadn't left the floor yet. I still get those complaints, but I'm at least not contributing to the problem. "Before the shot" works just as well, and it's got the added benefit of verbal accuracy. More importantly, it doesn't perpetuate a stupid myth.

I have the same issues with "over the back" and "reaching in." Sure, most coaches know what is meant, but there are quite a few who legitimately think reaching over the back is a foul regardless of contact. Why? Partly because as they worked up from lower levels, it was called that way.

Endline/baseline? I don't give a rat's ass. Call/Request a timeout? Not important.

I guess if I ever had an issue with this I might rethink it. As for this, I agree and do not use these phrases, and for the same reason you posted, some are actually convinced that reaching over the back with no contact is still a foul.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by Adam

I quit saying "on the floor" after I had a bunch of coaches complain when I called a shooting foul when the shooter hadn't left the floor yet. I still get those complaints, but I'm at least not contributing to the problem. "Before the shot" works just as well, and it's got the added benefit of verbal accuracy. More importantly, it doesn't perpetuate a stupid myth.

I have the same issues with "over the back" and "reaching in." Sure, most coaches know what is meant, but there are quite a few who legitimately think reaching over the back is a foul regardless of contact. Why? Partly because as they worked up from lower levels, it was called that way.

Endline/baseline? I don't give a rat's ass. Call/Request a timeout? Not important.

I saw a state final where the official "signaled" "on the floor" by pointing down. Most of the 5,000 or so couldn't hear him say "on the floor" but they all saw a mechanic that looked very much like "count the basket"

As for endline/baseline, I agree it doesn't matter, but I always use endline because it subtlely conveys that I read the rulebook.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I saw a state final where the official "signaled" "on the floor" by pointing down.

Very probable, but also possible that the official was signaling where the foul occurred, farther away from the basket, before the shooter was in the act of shooting.