Cinncinati/Xavier plays

[ODog]

Agreed that Play 1 is essentially as close as it gets. I can go either way. In real time, I'd likely have called a block.

Play 2, no goal. I agree he was fouled in his initial shooting motion (which is when the official raises his fist and blows his whistle), but THEN he reloads after the defender goes by/play is blown dead. Yes, it's a tough sell to award 2 shots and not count the goal, but that is how I see this one. Player was prevented from finishing his initial motion by the foul ... and then decided to try again unimpeded after the whistle.

[bob jenkins]

I think the second play is much tougher than the first. I have an easy block on the first. I can see either on the second but would lean toward counting the basket.

Now I'll go back and watch the slo-mo versions.

[JRutledge]

Play #1: I have a block. The defender is still coming forward when the player goes airborne. It was not that hard of a call IMO. Saw that when I first saw the play.

Play #2: I guess it depends on when the foul was called. I am thinking he did not actually call the foul until the player was coming down from the air and grabbed the shooter. If you feel the contact was before that, then you do not have a counted basket. I can see both sides but understand that the official is standing and seeing the left arm as well that we do not see. I would like to ask him what he had ultimately, which is not likely going to happen.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Play #1: I have a block. The defender is still coming forward when the player goes airborne. It was not that hard of a call IMO. Saw that when I first saw the play.

Play #2: I guess it depends on when the foul was called. I am thinking he did not actually call the foul until the player was coming down from the air and grabbed the shooter. If you feel the contact was before that, then you do not have a counted basket. I can see both sides but understand that the official is standing and seeing the left arm as well that we do not see. I would like to ask him what he had ultimately, which is not likely going to happen.

Peace

Agree on both. I was 50/50 on the second one when I saw it but I don't think he had a foul until later in the sequence when the defender came down on top of the shooter. It wouldn't be popular but I am okay with counting the basket.

[Bad Zebra]

Both are razor thin margins either way....

1) I like block here...my gut reaction first time in real time. Looks to be moving forward slightly in slow-mo. Certainly wouldn't question a charge from the official though.

2) Shooter appears to have gathered and started up at point of contact. Count it.

[Rich]

Depends on what the lead is calling on #2. We're seeing a bump that he may have passed on and held the whistle and called a foul later in the sequence.

I've been known to hold a whistle during prolonged contact until I'm certain that I'm going with a foul and then it might be during the shot whereas if I'm fast with my whistle (which is never desirable) it comes much earlier in the sequence.

[BigCat]

1. block 2. i also think he called the foul when defender grabbed him going up. good basket.

[ballgame99]

1. In real time I had a PC, but I can see it as a block from the other angle. I don't think you could go wrong either way here. That being said, I probably would have punched it (PC)

2. It if you pass on the first foul, then yes, you count the bucket on the second foul. I had 'no shot' because I wouldn't pass on the first foul.

Good plays.