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Raymond Wed Jan 25, 2017 03:08pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 998380)
I'm the center tableside and the coach is in my ear kvetching about a no call on the other side of the floor. Two officials over there on a play where my correct call percentage wouldn't be much better than if I flipped a coin.

"I have two partners over there who have a much better look at that play than we do. I'm not here to guess."

I tell coaches "I'm way over here just like you, I don't know what happened over there"

Raymond Wed Jan 25, 2017 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 998380)
I'm the center tableside and the coach is in my ear kvetching about a no call on the other side of the floor. Two officials over there on a play where my correct call percentage wouldn't be much better than if I flipped a coin.

"I have two partners over there who have a much better look at that play than we do. I'm not here to guess."

I tell coaches "I'm way over here just like you, I don't know what happened over there" or "I don't know how you saw that from here".

Adam Wed Jan 25, 2017 03:16pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 998559)
Oh I made a statement after a rhetorical question. I know the answer to "Why do coaches get free passes for their behavior?" It's because to many officials are either scared of T's because they are bad, or don't do a good job in dealing with conflict.

Also because sports society tends to think juvenile behavior is ok if the game might be on the line.

Rich Wed Jan 25, 2017 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 998578)
I tell coaches "I'm way over here just like you, I don't know what happened over there" or "I don't know how you saw that from here".

The good coaches get it when you say that. The bad ones think you should run over there and "save the day."

RedAndWhiteRef Wed Jan 25, 2017 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 998579)
Also because sports society tends to think juvenile behavior is ok if the game might be on the line.

Last night in a JV game the visiting team fell down by double digits in the third. The coach growled at me "every single whistle you've had has been for them (the home team). Every single whistle. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot."

I just ignored it, but when his team came back and won by a point, I wanted to ask him where my congratulations were.

From now on, coaches don't get my respect till they earn it. I've dealt with too much crap this season.

CJP Wed Jan 25, 2017 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckS (Post 998275)
I have learned that a complaining coach usually gets a warning first, but personal attacks on your integrity can merit an immediate T.

Freshman Girls, 4:00, few fans. First minute, B1 holding the ball over her head in the FC, directly in front of Coach A. A1 reaches for the ball, and gradually contacts the arms of B1, and eventually displaces her. This took a few seconds. The problem was, just before I whistle for the foul, Coach B says "That's a foul!".
Coach A immediately says to me, softly, "You weren't going to call that until he said something. I need you to call your own game".

Caught me off-guard, I just replied "That had nothing to do with it".

T?

The coach's comment is very disrespectful and I would not criticize any official for assessing a "T" under this circumstance. Hopefully the AD addresses the coaches behavior.

CJP Wed Jan 25, 2017 05:36pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 998525)
We're supposed to be the unemotional arbiters of the game. Just the way it is.

I agree. I try to not respond to comments from coaches. Getting into a dialog with coaches can result in an emotional response. If I must respond to a comment then more than likely a "T" is coming or is very close. We are not perfect and sometimes do get sucked into an exchange with a coach. Best practice, in my opinion, is to assess the "T" and move on, do not engage.

kelvinsmerli Wed Jan 25, 2017 06:02pm

No, He said it softly. You didnt call the contact. Somebody needed to remind you of Your Responsibility.

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Adam Wed Jan 25, 2017 06:20pm

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Originally Posted by kelvinsmerli (Post 998608)
No, He said it softly. You didnt call the contact. Somebody needed to remind you of Your Responsibility.

Were these the coach's words to you? I'm probably calling a T with those words.

Mregor Wed Jan 25, 2017 08:15pm

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Originally Posted by chymechowder (Post 998327)
Somewhat along those lines, what advice do you have for responding to a coach who repeatedly comments to you about your partner's calls?

I'll be in front of the coach during play and he'll say stuff like "I know that's not your call but you gotta help your partner out." OR "Cmon, PLEASE talk to your partner!"

I usually just ignore it, because it's not like he's asking me a legitimate question.

Not sure if it's a divide & conquer strategy? Like the coach will suck up to one official while putting down the other? (NOTE: I"m SURE there have been times when it was reversed and I was the lead and a coach was complaining to my partner about me:))

Should it just be flat-out ignored?

If he's saying it to you, I'd bet he's saying it to your partners too. At some point if it bothers you or your P's, you'll need to address it, It needs to be clear and the next time it happens you need to TCB. It's what some coaches do. They think it works in their favor somehow?? It's happened and I'll nip it right away with something along the lines of "We're not playing that game tonight" which will inevitably bring the reply, "What, I was just asking..." which will get a dirty look and stop sign from me. Now I have had the rare occasion when I felt the coach was right. Those are tougher IMO.


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