PC foul without a falling player (Video)

[SWMOzebra]

My first choice here would be a patient whistle and a no-call. Yes, I agree with those who say the defender was disadvantaged by being driven under the basket ... but the offensive player ended up on the ground, so I'm having trouble seeing exactly what advantage he gained from the contact.

All this being said, if you're going to have a whistle here then PC is the right call.

No way this is a blocking foul, the defender did nothing wrong here.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

My first choice here would be a patient whistle and a no-call. Yes, I agree with those who say the defender was disadvantaged by being driven under the basket ... but the offensive player ended up on the ground, so I'm having trouble seeing exactly what advantage he gained from the contact.

All this being said, if you're going to have a whistle here then PC is the right call.

No way this is a blocking foul, the defender did nothing wrong here.

He managed to get a shot off that almost went in and then give his team a rebounding opportunity.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

He managed to get a shot off that almost went in and then give his team a rebounding opportunity.

This.

While I also would not have a problem with it either way and in all likelihood would have passed on it, it can be thought of in terms of displacement. If a point guard uses his non-dribbling hand to demonstrably push or bump back a defender 2-3 feet -- or buries a shoulder to push off a defender after a stopped dribble -- to make space for a shot, wouldn't it be PC?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

He managed to get a shot off that almost went in and then give his team a rebounding opportunity.

I don't view the jumping in as giving the shooter an advantage. He actually stood a better chance of scoring if he just elevated and shot the ball. Jumping in creates more difficult shot. I'm glad there was no bailout of the offense. Defense did nothing wrong. There's merit to saying more of these should be called. Not so much, imo, to stop flopping but to make the offense pull up and shoot the short jumper.

These days i see so many big players catch ball, great size advantage, and instead of just shooting it they want to get from 5 feet to 2 feet. My mindset is not to bail them out but hasn't gone to calling this play a foul…yet. Like Rich said, would everybody do it? Would need to come from the top.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I don't view the jumping in as giving the shooter an advantage.

It prevents a defender from jumping to challenge the shot.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

It prevents a defender from jumping to challenge the shot.

I think, if I remember, defender made it into the air and challenged shot. Offensive player made it more difficult to score by jumping in. Much tougher shot than just elevating up for the 8 footer or whatever.

[CJP]

I agree with the PC foul call. In my opinion it is a PC foul by the book. Would I be able to make that call in real time? I think it depends on a few factors. 1. If it was the first few minutes of the game or start of the second half then I would call it a PC foul and stick to that standard of play. 2. If it was at a point in the game when the standard of play was established and my crew and I let more contact go then I would not call that a PC foul. No call would be appropriate. If the opposing coach received a "T" for responding to this then I am assuming the game was physical and the coach didn't think the contact was up to par with what was being called.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CJP

I agree with the PC foul call. In my opinion it is a PC foul by the book. Would I be able to make that call in real time? I think it depends on a few factors. 1. If it was the first few minutes of the game or start of the second half then I would call it a PC foul and stick to that standard of play. 2. If it was at a point in the game when the standard of play was established and my crew and I let more contact go then I would not call that a PC foul. No call would be appropriate. If the opposing coach received a "T" for responding to this then I am assuming the game was physical and the coach didn't think the contact was up to par with what was being called.

I wouldn't make any assumptions from the fact that a coach got himself a T.