Jump ball violation: What have you here?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I went back and watched again. I think he leaves circle illegally before the other jumper touches it.

In addition, he also caught it before jump ended. So I still maintain violation. Without the aid of this video, I don't know what any of us would do if this happened live. Looks like from video, they let the play stand and played on

Yes, it's definitely a violation for catching the ball. And, I'd hope we would all get it (even if it was a bit delayed because of the surprise factor).

But, I do have an interest in the "circle" question -- I did hear of a college game where both jumpers moved their feet (or a foot at least) into the other half of the circle as they prepared to jump (unclear whether this was before or after the toss). Should (by rule) this have been a violation?

I think for all these purposes (and certainly in the OP) the NCAA and FED rules are the same.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, it's definitely a violation for catching the ball. And, I'd hope we would all get it (even if it was a bit delayed because of the surprise factor).

But, I do have an interest in the "circle" question -- I did hear of a college game where both jumpers moved their feet (or a foot at least) into the other half of the circle as they prepared to jump (unclear whether this was before or after the toss). Should (by rule) this have been a violation?

I think for all these purposes (and certainly in the OP) the NCAA and FED rules are the same.

The college rule says for each jump ball jumper have both feet inside half of circle further from its basket. That would be meaningless if once ball was tossed he was allowed to step on the other side of the circle.

I think they are talking about leaving their half of the circle. This jumper was not out of the other half of the circle before the jumper touches the ball but I have a violation for entering other half of circle.

Also, as others said. Jump ball was not over do he is not allowed to catch it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

The college rule says for each jump ball jumper have both feet inside half of circle further from its basket. That would be meaningless if once ball was tossed he was allowed to step on the other side of the circle.

I think they are talking about leaving their half of the circle. This jumper was not out of the other half of the circle before the jumper touches the ball but I have a violation for entering other half of circle.

Also, as others said. Jump ball was not over do he is not allowed to catch it.

I think that is only where they have to start. Once it is tossed, I don't think that requirement remains after it is tossed.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think that is only where they have to start. Once it is tossed, I don't think that requirement remains after it is tossed.

Years ago, didn't they have a smaller circle inside the 6-ft radius circle? Jumper had to keep one foot inside it or something like that? Anyway, eventually that smaller circle was eliminated. Why, and does that have any bearing on this conversation?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Years ago, didn't they have a smaller circle inside the 6-ft radius circle? Jumper had to keep one foot inside it or something like that? Anyway, eventually that smaller circle was eliminated. Why, and does that have any bearing on this conversation?

They had to start with one foot in the smaller circle. I'm guessing it was deemed to be unnecessary. I don't think it has any bearing on this discussion.

[Terrapins Fan]

I must be Old....I am, I like the jump ball. I have a good toss the majority of the time....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I must be Old....I am, I like the jump ball. I have a good toss the majority of the time....

But do you know all the jump ball rules and restrictions like we did back in the olden days when we had several jump balls every game, at three different spots, with guards doing some of the jumping? Some of the guys I work with today don't even know that a non-jumper on the circle can leave the circle at any time, before the toss, after the toss, before the tip, or after the tip.

I'd really like to give the ball to the visitors to start the game, and set the alternating possession arrow for the home team. No more jump balls.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

The college rule says for each jump ball jumper have both feet inside half of circle further from its basket. That would be meaningless if once ball was tossed he was allowed to step on the other side of the circle.

That's correct, and it also says that the restrictions end when the ball touches a non-jumper (etc.). However, there's no penalty for the specific parts of Rule 6.

if you go to rule 9 (violations) you see that it's only a violation to "leave the center circle before the ball has been touched..."

So, there's somewhat of a conflict between rule 9 and rule 6.