Found this Gem 3 seconds

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Look at the game clock in the video. You can see the seconds on it.
The lay-up is missed at 53. The rebound is grabbed at 52. The next shot is released at 50. The whistle is blown and clock stopped at 49.

The violation call is clearly incorrect.

I wouldn't even have started such a count in this scenario. Can anyone here on the forum honestly say they would? A 3-second violation wouldn't even have entered my mind at this point.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Rich

I wouldn't even have started such a count in this scenario. Can anyone here on the forum honestly say they would? A 3-second violation wouldn't even have entered my mind at this point.

Mine neither. The point at which a 3-second violation enters my mind is usually about 3 seconds after I begin to contemplate that perhaps more than 3 seconds have elapsed.




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[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Rich

I wouldn't even have started such a count in this scenario. Can anyone here on the forum honestly say they would? A 3-second violation wouldn't even have entered my mind at this point.

I have not called a three seconds violation in 50 years and I stated officiating in 1971.

MTD, Sr.

[BryanV21]

Unless an offensive player is in the lane and there's nothing going on anywhere near him, and there's nothing else for me to monitor, a three-second violation never comes to mind.

[Raymond]

Had two 3-second violations in my last college game. One of them was a double whistle.

They do occur.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Had two 3-second violations in my last college game. One of them was a double whistle.



They do occur.

I've called two this season myself. They tend to call themselves.

[so cal lurker]

My son played in a tournament last week with similar timing issues. (IMHO, the two man team was out of its depth, at least trying to do the game two-man.). But in addition to a few three second calls (at least one was very quick following a shot), we were graced with a 10 second backcourt call (while the shot clock only showed 9 seconds had run), a five second closely-guarded call when no one else in the gym thought the casual dribbler was being closely guarded by the leisurely defender, and the first time I've ever seen a 10 second call on a FT in a high school game (I wasn't counting, but it seemed quick to me, and was whistled as the ball left the shooters hand). At least they were consistent with quick counts....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

... the first time I've ever seen a 10 second call on a FT in a high school game

So it does exist. I thought that this was a myth, or a hoax.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

My son played in a tournament last week with similar timing issues. (IMHO, the two man team was out of its depth, at least trying to do the game two-man.). But in addition to a few three second calls (at least one was very quick following a shot), we were graced with a 10 second backcourt call (while the shot clock only showed 9 seconds had run), a five second closely-guarded call when no one else in the gym thought the casual dribbler was being closely guarded by the leisurely defender, and the first time I've ever seen a 10 second call on a FT in a high school game (I wasn't counting, but it seemed quick to me, and was whistled as the ball left the shooters hand). At least they were consistent with quick counts....

Probably a new official/crew as you stated. In my first couple of years, I was "that official" who would look for calls like this, almost as if to demonstrate that I knew a bunch of rules.

Over time I learned how to put rules in context. If there's a rare or unusual violation to call, it finds me. I don't go looking for it.


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[ODog]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

... we were graced with a 10 second backcourt call (while the shot clock only showed 9 seconds had run) ...

Not speaking to your instance in particular, but unless the shot-clock operator is amazing (and at the HS level or below, that's a toss up at best, getting worse as the level drops), you cannot use the shot clock as any sort of barometer for a 10-second call, nor should you.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

... we were graced with ... a five second closely-guarded call when no one else in the gym thought the casual dribbler was being closely guarded by the leisurely defender ...

Again, not speaking to your example in particular, since these are HTBT situations, but the "attitudes" of the players (casual, leisurely, etc.) are never relevant when it comes to violations. Hell, if LGP was established and the defender remained within 6 feet, both players could turn their backs to each other in indifference and 5 seconds could still be called.

Something else that's never relevant: What "everyone else in the gym" thinks. This is probably why more and more coaches, fans and parents are reportedly losing their minds on a regular basis. Because their views on all calls/non-calls are always irrelevant, more often than not invalid and absolutely never taken into consideration.