Foul after the horn

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

A2 chases after a missed shot in the corner of the floor. Catches the ball and shoots a fade away 3 at the buzzer. A2 comes back to the floor and buzzer sounds to end the quarter (in this case the 3rd). B2 in attempt to block the shot land's on A2.

I would have a hard time calling a dead ball foul here. What would you all have in this situation?

Is the ball dead? When does the ball become dead? Rule 6. I likely wouldnt need to be there to answer your question. If the try is in flight or still has chance to go in, the ball is not dead and the qtr is not over. If he lands on top of him after he returns to the floor you have a bonus situation.

If the try ended, had no chance to go in, the ball is dead (the airborne shooter already returned to the floor) then contact by b2 is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. You havnt described anything intentionalor flagrant.

[johnsonboys03]

The airborne shooter came back down to the floor after the time expired, so yes I believe it is.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

The airborne shooter came back down to the floor after the time expired, so yes I believe it is.

"Time expiring" and "ball becomes dead" are not synonyms

[johnsonboys03]

The exceptions to rule 6-7-6 is the ball does Not become dead unroll the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Occurs while a try or tap for afield goal is in flight.

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Is the ball dead? When does the ball become dead? Rule 6. I likely wouldnt need to be there to answer your question. If the try is in flight or still has chance to go in, the ball is not dead and the qtr is not over. If he lands on top of him after he returns to the floor you have a bonus situation.

If the try ended, had no chance to go in, the ball is dead (the airborne shooter already returned to the floor) then contact by b2 is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. You havnt described anything intentionalor flagrant.

Ok. The try had no chance of going in. The contact was not intentional. The contact was ignored.

So is this what you are saying?
If the try had a chance we should have called a common foul, which would in this case been the 5th team foul. We report the foul, no shots rewarded and the quarter is over.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

Ok. The try had no chance of going in. The contact was not intentional. The contact was ignored.

So is this what you are saying?
If the try had a chance we should have called a common foul, which would in this case been the 5th team foul. We report the foul, no shots rewarded and the quarter is over.

One of ways try ends is if it is certain try be unsuccessful. If you were certain it was unsuccessful and the shooter returned to the floor, the qtr is over. Contact after that is ignored unless intentional or flagrant.

If the try had a chance (you are not CERTAIN that it will be unsuccessful) then the try has not ended and the qtr is not over. if b fouls A1 before the qtr ends then report the common foul. if it is only the 5th team foul qtr is over. next qtr starts with Arrow.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Is the ball dead? When does the ball become dead? Rule 6. I likely wouldnt need to be there to answer your question. If the try is in flight or still has chance to go in, the ball is not dead and the qtr is not over. If he lands on top of him after he returns to the floor you have a bonus situation.

If the try ended, had no chance to go in, the ball is dead (the airborne shooter already returned to the floor) then contact by b2 is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. You havnt described anything intentional or flagrant.

Excellent and correct answer.

MTD, Sr.

[johnsonboys03]

Ok thank you Gentlemen.

[BryanV21]

If the shooter has not returned to the floor the foul on him would lead to free throws... right?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If the shooter has not returned to the floor the foul on him would lead to free throws... right?

Just like any other foul on an airborne shooter...

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Just like any other foul on an airborne shooter...

I didn't read anyone say that, which is why I brought it up. Just that it would be the 5th team foul and we'd move on.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If the shooter has not returned to the floor the foul on him would lead to free throws... right?

yes, he is an airborne shooter until he returns to the floor. If the shot was blocked into the 3rd row the try is over but since the shooter has not yet returned to the floor the qtr is not over. Airborne shooter is considered to be in act of shooting.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BigCat

yes, he is an airborne shooter until he returns to the floor. If the shot was blocked into the 3rd row the try is over but since the shooter has not yet returned to the floor the qtr is not over. Airborne shooter is considered to be in act of shooting.

Yes, that is what I'm saying.

Nobody has mentioned that if the shot had a chance to go in (meaning the ball is still live) the foul on the airborne shooter (assuming one was called) would result in one or two FTs (depending on if the try was good or not).

All that's been said is that if the try has a chance to go in the ball remains live, and therefore the foul can be called. However, the result of that foul has only been said to be the team's 5th foul... not that free throws could come into play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Yes, that is what I'm saying.

Nobody has mentioned that if the shot had a chance to go in (meaning the ball is still live) the foul on the airborne shooter (assuming one was called) would result in one or two FTs (depending on if the try was good or not).

All that's been said is that if the try has a chance to go in the ball remains live, and therefore the foul can be called. However, the result of that foul has only been said to be the team's 5th foul... not that free throws could come into play.

Because in the OP the shooter had landed -- making it a common foul.

if you change the play, you change the results.