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BlueDevilRef Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:13am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 995310)
The only time I ever reference the shot clock is after an out-of-bounds violation or something that interrupts play without a reset. We remind me each other that there is only so much time left on the shot clock.

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This was during live ball and animated. Like: point, drop arm, point, drop arm, point, etc. didn't look like crew communication at all. Not a big deal but it drew my attention for sure

Raymond Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:27am
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Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef (Post 995313)
This was during live ball and animated. Like: point, drop arm, point, drop arm, point, etc. didn't look like crew communication at all. Not a big deal but it drew my attention for sure
If you have an approximate timestamp from the game I can look it up and see what I can discern.

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BlueDevilRef Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:15am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 995314)
If you have an approximate timestamp from the game I can look it up and see what I can discern.

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I don't have it. Was chasing little ones while watching. No worries.

Amesman Tue Dec 20, 2016 02:27pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995302)
Heck, from his point of view this was likely very easy to see. It is not that hard to see. The angle we had was not great. And the shooter falls on his behind.

Also another key, the player did not complain at all. He knew he hit him on some level and that is why he fell to the floor.

Peace
This. And This. Excellent points, Rut.

C had a GREAT angle to see the shooter's foot unnaturally bounce back from whence it came.

And if the defender doesn't complain ...

VaTerp Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:21am
Given what we already knew and what was further revealed about Allen's propensity to have his feet find other player's legs, does this change anyone's opinion on of the call?

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:28am
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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 995558)
Given what we already knew and what was further revealed about Allen's propensity to have his feet find other player's legs, does this change anyone's opinion on of the call?
No. Why would it? I never even considered this call outside of the action of the play. I could not care less who the player was involved.

Peace

APG Thu Dec 22, 2016 01:37pm
Easy foul on the defense. Slot/center official had a good look at the play.

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 995285)
Interesting play. Allen has him beat completely. I cant tell if blue hits allens left leg or allen curls his left leg back and in to hit blue. Left leg usually doesnt curl back in like that. Usually just stays in same place.
This is a normal basketball play by the offensive player plain and simple. To no call (or even call an offensive foul when the situation warrants it) you're gonna want something that's way more overt.

BigCat Thu Dec 22, 2016 02:07pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 995570)
Easy foul on the defense. Slot/center official had a good look at the play.



This is a normal basketball play by the offensive player plain and simple. To no call (or even call an offensive foul when the situation warrants it) you're gonna want something that's way more overt.
When i first looked at it here i thought maybe Allen curled his foot back a bit into defender to draw contact. And i thought that because of who he is...

Curling the foot you jump off of behind you isnt normal. That leg foot usually stays in same spot. I looked at it again and he didnt move the foot in that much. I would have had a foul live and i have a foul still now but the thought entered my mind that there was a little more to it than a defender hitting him.

JRutledge Thu Dec 22, 2016 02:12pm
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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 995572)
When i first looked at it here i thought maybe Allen curled his foot back a bit into defender to draw contact. And i thought that because of who he is....
I think that a player in that position is not usually going to kick out their leg as they are a little more vulnerable than they would be in other situations. But I do get your point on some level.

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 995572)
Curling the foot you jump off of behind you isnt normal. That leg foot usually stays in same spot. I looked at it again and he didnt move the foot in that much. I would have had a foul live and i have a foul still now but the thought entered my mind that there was a little more to it than a defender hitting him.
Also the defender was not in a legal position either. So any contact he would be mostly responsible for if it took place.

Peace

BigCat Thu Dec 22, 2016 02:25pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995573)
I think that a player in that position is not usually going to kick out their leg as they are a little more vulnerable than they would be in other situations. But I do get your point on some level.



Also the defender was not in a legal position either. So any contact he would be mostly responsible for if it took place.

Peace
I agree and certainly wouldnt try to curl my foot behind me in air. Causes all kinds of balance issues etc. He didnt do it as much as i originally thought.
And yes, i have a foul regardless. Defender didnt need to put himself in that position.


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