3 Qs

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

2a. "not coming back promptly?" Is that a new DOG I wasn't aware of?

Heck, I don't know -- I'm just a curious BB dad who hasn't reffed a BB game in decades (and was entirely self trained when I did).

I was surprised that it was a DOG instead of putting the ball down on the floor for resumption of play,but I just assumed it was because of the nature of the restart - I'm pretty sure, but not positive, it was after an official stopped play for an injured player.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Heck, I don't know -- I'm just a curious BB dad who hasn't reffed a BB game in decades (and was entirely self trained when I did).

I was surprised that it was a DOG instead of putting the ball down on the floor for resumption of play,but I just assumed it was because of the nature of the restart - I'm pretty sure, but not positive, it was after an official stopped play for an injured player.

They did it wrong if they called a dog for this. Sadly, many officials use the DOG as a sort of "catch-all" when they're afraid to use the proper tools. The problem with doing that was displayed in your game, as the 2nd one should have been a technical foul. NFHS rules, it is a technical foul on the 2nd DOG warning regardless of the specific type.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

. NFHS rules, it is a technical foul on the 2nd DOG warning regardless of the specific type.

They did give the T on the second DOG.

Another scenario from a tournament game.

White on offense, shot hits rim, offensive rebound, play continues. Wild shot thrown up as shot clock expires. Shot hits backboard only and is grabbed by blue at about the same moment the whistle blows for the violation since it didn't hit the rim. White coach becomes unglued, as he (correctly) argues that the shot clock was not reset. Officials confer, put 17 seconds back on the shot clock and give the ball back to white. Blue coach now objects - arguing that white got the rebound, and the ball can't possibly go back to white after the missed shot. Officials again confer, signal a jump, and go to the arrow, which gives the ball to blue.

So:
1. obviously the big problem is the shot clock operator fell asleep, but should the officials have noticed the shot clock did not return in the first place and have avoided this? (2 man team)
2. If the coach noticed the shot clock hadn't reset and called a TO before it expired, would he get it back, or would he still get charged as it was not a CE?
3. since the violation occurred as soon as the shot obviously failed to hit the rim, I gather the officials were ultimately correct to go to the arrow, even though white grabbed the rebound as the whistles blew?

(While white got somewhat rooked on this play, they got it back with another table error: the table failed to flip the arrow at the start of the next quarter, so white got the ball on successive trips to the arrow. After that, the officials were very aware of watching the arrow.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Another scenario from a tournament game.

Probably worth a new (separate) thread?

[Smitty]

#2 - if a team is pressing and they hit the ball away from the team who will be throwing the ball in after a made basket, I will give the DOG warning. It's an unfair advantage that allows the defense to set up their press and delay the inbounding team from getting the ball in quickly. I don't understand why you wouldn't give this a DOG warning.