I've seen it - but never seen it called

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Advantage/disadvantage as espoused in the Owald Tower Philosophy applies to contact and not violations.

Therefore, a travel is a travel is a travel.

MTD, Sr.

[Rob1968]

I try to make this call only when I'm certain that the player has controlled the ball, with both feet on the floor, and then re-positions both feet. I give a benefit of doubt regarding whether the player has control of the ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

I try to make this call only when I'm certain that the player has controlled the ball, with both feet on the floor, and then re-positions both feet. I give a benefit of doubt regarding whether the player has control of the ball.

And I give a benefit of the doubt as to whether it's a jump stop (catch with one foot on the floor, hop off it and land on two feet simultaneously).

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BigT

If it creates an advantage hoping away from the defense its a travel?

If they hop giving the defense more time to defend it then its not a travel?

And its the same hop. No dribble picking up the pivot and putting it down.

You've just put words in peoples mouths... no one said this at all.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And I give a benefit of the doubt as to whether it's a jump stop (catch with one foot on the floor, hop off it and land on two feet simultaneously).

We may recall the father who posted the video of his daughter, who made a jumpstop to the rear, and the father said that it was called a travel. A clean jumpstop can catch an anxious official by surprise.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

You've just put words in peoples mouths... no one said this at all.

Those statements end with a "?'.

I do love however how quickly folks appear defensive about a super grey area in refereeing.

Clearing we pointed out a D1 guy allows a coach on the court touching his players and its clearly a foul and yet it is not called.

Where I am from bunny hops are rarely called. It should appear to be the easiest call in the world.

We clearly let 3 seconds go or travels go with no defense within 50 feet.

Basketball is hard because there is so much judgement and contact and things that can be done with a dribble, etc.

I have a pretty good idea when I am going to call a bunny hop and when I will not. I just look for gems from you vets as to what might alter my grey area this way or that way.

Jumping down my throat for a question.. well that doesnt bother me any more.

Carry on!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BigT

Those statements end with a "?'.

I do love however how quickly folks appear defensive about a super grey area in refereeing.

Clearing we pointed out a D1 guy allows a coach on the court touching his players and its clearly a foul and yet it is not called.

Where I am from bunny hops are rarely called. It should appear to be the easiest call in the world.

We clearly let 3 seconds go or travels go with no defense within 50 feet.

Basketball is hard because there is so much judgement and contact and things that can be done with a dribble, etc.

I have a pretty good idea when I am going to call a bunny hop and when I will not. I just look for gems from you vets as to what might alter my grey area this way or that way.

Jumping down my throat for a question.. well that doesnt bother me any more.

Carry on!

Gem from a vet as to what to whistle: How long do you want the game to take?

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Refsmitty

Shooter gets a pass in the corner for a 3 point try. He takes a quick baby hop before jumping into his shot - I think that is a travel by rule - do you call that?

Called it quite a few times. See it more in girls games. Seeing it more and more.

If it's obvious I call it. Just another annoying thing the kids have learned and are doing these days.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And I give a benefit of the doubt as to whether it's a jump stop (catch with one foot on the floor, hop off it and land on two feet simultaneously).

Curious if others see it this way: It seems to me that it used to be that the jump shooter got no benefit of the doubt on this, and now the shooter gets significant benefit of the doubt.

Put otherwise, it seems to me that what is permitted by the jump shooter in my son's games would have been called a travel
back when I played.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Advantage/disadvantage as espoused in the Oswald Tower Philosophy applies to contact and not violations.

True, but the NFHS Intent And Purpose Of The Rules says nothing about being limited to fouls, in fact it doesn't mention either fouls, or violations, specifically.

THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE RULES
The restrictions which the rules place upon the players are intended to create a
balance of play; to provide equal opportunity between the offense and the
defense; to provide equal opportunity between the small player and tall player; to
provide reasonable safety and protection; to create an atmosphere of sporting
behavior and fair play; and to emphasize cleverness and skill without unduly
limiting freedom of action of individual or team play on either offense or defense.
Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may
be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

a travel is a travel is a travel.

Agree. Agree. Agree.