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[Terrapins Fan]

This is a question from the IAABO Refresher.

#5- A1 dribbling in the front court when B1 deflects the ball away from A1. the ball is rolling toward the back court and is picked up by A2 who is straddling the division line. The official rules a back court violation. Is the official correct?

I say YES!. The test answer says NO. rule 9-9-1

SECTION 9 BACKCOURT
ART. 1 . . . A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

What am I missing. The ball never went into the BC until A2 touched it. BC Violatiuon, right?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

... B1 deflects the ball away from A1. The ball is rolling toward the back court

Who was the last to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt?

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throw-in); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt.

[SC Official]

Other than that old interpretation about causing the ball to have backcourt status (which most officials agree is bogus), this is not a backcourt violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

... that old interpretation ...

2007-2008 Rules Interpretation: SITUATION 10: A1, in the team's frontcourt, passes to A2, also in the team's frontcourt. B1 deflects the ball toward Team A's backcourt. The ball bounces only in Team A's frontcourt before crossing the division line. While the ball is still in the air over Team A's backcourt, but never having touched in Team A's backcourt, A2 gains possession of the ball while standing in Team A's backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. Team A was still in team control and caused the ball to have backcourt status. Had A2 permitted the ball to bounce in the backcourt after having been deflected by B1, there would have been no backcourt violation. (4-4-1; 4-4-3; 9-9-1)

2016-17 IAABO Refresher Exam #5 A1 dribbling in the front court when B1 deflects the ball away from A1. The ball is rolling toward the back court and is picked up by A2 who is straddling the division line. The official rules a back court violation. Is the official correct? NO. Rule 9-9-1

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control
when coming from a throw-in); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must
be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after
the ball has been in the backcourt.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

This is a question from the IAABO Refresher.#5- A1 dribbling in the front court when B1 deflects the ball away from A1. the ball is rolling toward the back court and is picked up by A2 who is straddling the division line. The official rules a back court violation. Is the official correct? The test answer says NO. rule 9-9-1

Originally Posted by Moosie74

We discussed this for quite awhile the other night. The group answer was yes, the state interpreter says yes, Peter Webb says yes ... Expect it to be clarified soon.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2007-2008 Rules Interpretation: SITUATION 10: A1, in the team's frontcourt, passes to A2, also in the team's frontcourt. B1 deflects the ball toward Team A's backcourt. The ball bounces only in Team A's frontcourt before crossing the division line. While the ball is still in the air over Team A's backcourt, but never having touched in Team A's backcourt, A2 gains possession of the ball while standing in Team A's backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. Team A was still in team control and caused the ball to have backcourt status. Had A2 permitted the ball to bounce in the backcourt after having been deflected by B1, there would have been no backcourt violation. (4-4-1; 4-4-3; 9-9-1)

Our IAABO state interpreter has stated that the correct Refresher Exam answer should be YES.

(That's IAABO, not NFHS. Check you local listings.)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

This is a question from the IAABO Refresher.

#5- A1 dribbling in the front court when B1 deflects the ball away from A1. the ball is rolling toward the back court and is picked up by A2 who is straddling the division line. The official rules a back court violation. Is the official correct?

I say YES!. The test answer says NO. rule 9-9-1

SECTION 9 BACKCOURT
ART. 1 . . . A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

What am I missing. The ball never went into the BC until A2 touched it. BC Violatiuon, right?

Let's keep this simple and just focus on player location. A2 is straddling the division line, so he is touching the backcourt and therefore has backcourt player location.
Now shift A2 such that he is straddling the FT line in the backcourt. He still has the same backcourt player location. If the ball was batted into the air by B1 and flew all the way back to A2 before being caught, would you penalize Team A?

Don't get confused by the optics of the situation. A2 did not last touch the ball before it went to the backcourt. He only was the first to touch it in the backcourt. Therefore, one of the elements of a backcourt violation is missing.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Now shift A2 such that he is straddling the FT line in the backcourt. He still has the same backcourt player location. If the ball was batted into the air by B1 and flew all the way back to A2 before being caught, would you penalize Team A?

Don't get confused by the optics of the situation.

Very well described.



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[Moosie74]

We discussed this for quite awhile the other night. The group answer was yes, the state interpreter says yes, Peter Webb says yes, the committee is wrong. Expect it to be clarified soon.

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[Terrapins Fan]

Wow! Thank you guys so much

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Moosie74

We discussed this for quite awhile the other night. The group answer was yes, the state interpreter says yes, Peter Webb says yes, the committee is wrong. Expect it to be clarified soon.

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What was it they said yes to?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Moosie74

We discussed this for quite awhile the other night. The group answer was yes, the state interpreter says yes, Peter Webb says yes, the committee is wrong. Expect it to be clarified soon.

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"The committee?" As in the rule committee? The IAABO committee?

Let me pose a situation:

A1 dribbling near the division line, standing in the back court. B1 standing completely in the front court guarding A1.
B1 slaps the ball out of A1's control (ball now has FC status) into the BC where A2 catches it (it never bounced in the BC prior to A2's catch).

Is this a BC violation?

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Adam

"The committee?" As in the rule committee? The IAABO committee?

Let me pose a situation:

A1 dribbling near the division line, standing in the back court. B1 standing completely in the front court guarding A1.
B1 slaps the ball out of A1's control (ball now has FC status and is still in control of Team A) into the BC where A2 catches it (it never bounced in the BC prior to A2's catch).

Is this a BC violation?

And you could add this so newer officials are aware.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

"The committee?" As in the rule committee? The IAABO committee?

Let me pose a situation:

A1 dribbling near the division line, standing in the back court. B1 standing completely in the front court guarding A1.
B1 slaps the ball out of A1's control (ball now has FC status) into the BC where A2 catches it (it never bounced in the BC prior to A2's catch).

Is this a BC violation?

A2 wouldn't even have to catch the ball. B1 would only need to bat the ball such that it struck A1 or A2 for a violation to occur, if that interpretation were valid. That would be nonsense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A2 wouldn't even have to catch the ball. B1 would only need to bat the ball such that it struck A1 or A2 for a violation to occur, if that interpretation were valid. That would be nonsense.

Good point.