Time Out

[mlv28]

Discussion between a group of officials. End of regulation and before the first overtime. Coach of team A has used all his timeouts and has been advised that he has one additional full time out, which can only be used after the ball has become live to start the first overtime. Coach of team A requests a time out before the start of the overtime and understands that it will result in a technical foul. Some officials say that you can't grant the time out, others say you can. Casebook play 5.11.5 was used in the discussion, with some officials saying that the play applied to only not granting the additional time out, while others felt it applied to any timeout request. Thoughts?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by mlv28

Discussion between a group of officials. End of regulation and before the first overtime. Coach of team A has used all his timeouts and has been advised that he has one additional full time out, which can only be used after the ball has become live to start the first overtime. Coach of team A requests a time out before the start of the overtime and understands that it will result in a technical foul. Some officials say that you can't grant the time out, others say you can. Casebook play 5.11.5 was used in the discussion, with some officials saying that the play applied to only not granting the additional time out, while others felt it applied to any timeout request. Thoughts?

If you look at 5.11.5 A you will see that a team has all of its timeouts When it wants to call a timeout before ball becomes live to start the game. Even though they have ALL timeouts they are not allowed to do it.

5.11.5b is your play. Team A is given a timeout at the end of regulation. They have a timeout just as the team at beginning of game had several. They are simply not allowed to use it until ball becomes live in OT. A technical is not an option unless they refuse to play or do something unsportsmanlike.

You call a T when a team is out of timeouts. In both of these situations 5.11.5 A and B the team is not OUT of timeouts. They are not just not allowed to use the one or ones they have.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

They are not just not allowed to use the one or ones they have.

Similar to successive timeouts with 0:00 on the clock at the end of the game?

5-11-7: Successive time-outs, as in 4-43-2, shall not be granted after the
expiration of playing time for the fourth quarter or any extra period. In all other
instances, they shall be administered in the order in which they were requested.

[Pantherdreams]

Situation seems problematic and more theoretical than realistic as coach does not have to call a timeout. If they have more to say and are willing to risk a technical they can just keep talking to their kids. Then have the tech called, while it is being administered have kids check in and continue to meet with them through the shots.

Regardless they can't call the timeout or have the timeout awarded until after play resumes.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Situation seems problematic and more theoretical than realistic as coach does not have to call a timeout. If they have more to say and are willing to risk a technical they can just keep talking to their kids. Then have the tech called, while it is being administered have kids check in and continue to meet with them through the shots.

Regardless they can't call the timeout or have the timeout awarded until after play resumes.

So would you be issuing a direct T on the coach?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Situation seems problematic and more theoretical than realistic as coach does not have to call a timeout. If they have more to say and are willing to risk a technical they can just keep talking to their kids. Then have the tech called, while it is being administered have kids check in and continue to meet with them through the shots.

Regardless they can't call the timeout or have the timeout awarded until after play resumes.

How much time are you giving him? It's not the "full minute" because it's not the start of either half. You can't really use the resumption of play procedure, because it's not a throw-in or FT (as used between quarters).

[mlv28]

The scenario being discussed was after the one minute between the end of regulation and the start of the overtime. Teams line up for the jump and coach of team A requests timeout, before the ball becomes live. We all know that the additional time out can't be used until the ball becomes live. Big Cat I like your thoughts on the matter. If I'm understanding you correctly, the additional time out for the OT period creates a situation where team A is not out of timeouts, but is prevented from utilizing the timeout by rule. So when the coach requests a timeout, you just deny it since the ball has not become live in the OT and toss the ball to begin the OT.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by mlv28

The scenario being discussed was after the one minute between the end of regulation and the start of the overtime. Teams line up for the jump and coach of team A requests timeout, before the ball becomes live. We all know that the additional time out can't be used until the ball becomes live. Big Cat I like your thoughts on the matter. If I'm understanding you correctly, the additional time out for the OT period creates a situation where team A is not out of timeouts, but is prevented from utilizing the timeout by rule. So when the coach requests a timeout, you just deny it since the ball has not become live in the OT and toss the ball to begin the OT.

Yes.

[mlv28]

Thanks to all for your input.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Situation seems problematic and more theoretical than realistic as coach does not have to call a timeout. If they have more to say and are willing to risk a technical they can just keep talking to their kids. Then have the tech called, while it is being administered have kids check in and continue to meet with them through the shots.

IF the T is called before the OT starts, is it part of the 4th Q or part of OT? IOW, if a FT is made, is the game over without OT?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

IF the T is called before the OT starts, is it part of the 4th Q or part of OT? IOW, if a FT is made, is the game over without OT?

Since we were already going to OT, any FTs will be part of the OT.

[Adam]

It really depends on how the rule reads. If a team ends regulation with a timeout remaining, can they use it before the ball becomes live to start OT?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

It really depends on how the rule reads. If a team ends regulation with a timeout remaining, can they use it before the ball becomes live to start OT?

Yes, as long as it is the first time out called after regulation ends it would not be considered successive. Only the extra timeout granted at end of regulation cannot be used before ball becomes live.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Yes, as long as it is the first time out called after regulation ends it would not be considered successive. Only the extra timeout granted at end of regulation cannot be used before ball becomes live.

Rule citation please.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Rule citation please.

Can i send you a bill for the cite?:roll eyes:

5-11-5 tells you the additional 60 second TO cannot be granted until ball becomes live in extra period. Art 7 says successive timeouts can't be granted after expiration of playing time for 4th qtr or OT. 4-43-2 tells you what a successive TO is….