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After moving from PA to AZ I found that all games are 2 person and there is very few colleges to officiate. The reason that I have been given is that schools cannot afford the increased costs in addition, it would be extremely difficult to get all the officials up to speed on 3 person. It actually is not as bad as it seems.
Yes 3 person would be better but for now it is what it is. 
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California is still mostly 2-person from what I understand. Oregon was until just this year and the decision to switch is still made at the local level which means the transition will be very slow. It's not all about the money, but money is a big factor. Supply of officials is another (if the supply is already sparse, going to 3-p advances a lot of officials to varsity before they may be ready, thus negating the value of 3-p). And then of course there's the inertia of, "if it aint broke, why fix it?" Of course it IS broken (a little time with good 3-person crews shows everyone that it creates a far smoother basketball game), but coaches, ADs and administrators don't see it that way because they resist change. In short, changing to 3-p requires a perceived leap of faith and a few years of growing pains to get the supply of officials up to varsity speed. Worth it in the long run, but like long-term capital investments, hard to get past the upfront "cost." Oh, and for the OP, from a guy who moves a lot....dude, I totally feel your pain. Edit: Thought of another obvious reason.....established officials organizations have some folks who would rather protect their $80 2-p game fees then make the sacrifice to ~$60 (give or take) that is often asked for when switching to 3-p. Silly when you consider that 3-p gives you more game opportunities and less chance of injury over the course of a season....but again, resistance to change... Last edited by crosscountry55; Thu Sep 08, 2016 at 09:26pm. Reason: Another Thought
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Fri Sep 09, 2016, 12:01pm
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I wouldn't want to reduce my per game fee. We aren't paid enough for what is expected and I'm damn sure not going to take a cut so that the schools can get a "better" product. That's ass backwards.
So it's ok to do more games for less money??? That's also ass backwards. The point in life is to get better, make more, and work less. Not make less, work more. I would stop officiating if that choice was presented to me. This doesn't pay my bills or allow me to live the lifestyle I want. It's a hobby, that takes quite a bit of time and effort for at least 3 months a year.
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Fri Sep 09, 2016, 01:17pm
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Personally, I would rather work 3-man at a lower rate than 2-man at a higher rate.
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Lets say you did 20 2 man games - That would mean for those 20 games you made $250 less. However you work an extra 5 games so you make $312.50 for those new games. Your net increase is $62.50. I calculate each game at 2 hours of work. So for those 10 hours your marginal hourly rate is $6.25, if that's fine with you then OK, it's not fine with me. When I started in 3 man I would volunteer in summer games and some lower level HS games where the coaches were ok with it (3 veterans would essentially split a frosh/soph double header and work 3 man). So I put my work in. I would also say that in general HS officials are "ok" as a group. Adding a third person to a game simply to add one when the average official is just "ok" isn't really adding much value to the game. Maybe its different where you are but if the schools can't afford to pay a fair rate for that third official then they should pay what they can afford for the best product, which would be 2-man. It's not ideal, I do enjoy officiating, but I expect to get paid a reasonable amount. At the end of the year I would say financially I break even, which to me is A-OK. Quote:
If officiating is your primary source of income that's fine, but I know the hustle it takes between multiple sports for that to work. That's primarily not my concern.
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3 man is much easier on the body. I would gladly take a #12.50 pay cut to get a third official on the floor. We have 2 man for JV games here and it pays more than JV 3 man. I can't imagine any situation where the individual game fee for 3 man would be the same as it is for 2 man.
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Personal sacrifice for the good of the whole is how I guess I would describe it. I was already working an all Boys varsity schedule, so I definitely garnered no personal financial gain. But if the goal is to get as much 3-man as possible, then some sacrifices are going to have to be made by officials as well as schools. It can't all just be on the schools to find every cent.
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