Camp Blues/Pandering to Coaches

[SC Official]

I'm at camp this weekend. Second game I have, coach gets first T from one of my partners. I go tableside, and give him the free throws to calm down. Then I inform him he's lost his box for the game. He refuses to sit, and I whack him again after he continues to refuse. Apparently, this camp doesn't want us seatbelting coaches, which we weren't told beforehand. The camp supervisor pleaded with me to take the T away, since this is "our ****ing camp." My clinician asked me to do the same, so I did.

Needless to say, I'm not pleased. I paid to be here, too, just like the teams.

I also had a clinician tell me that, in a regular season game, we need to take "as much crap as possible" from coaches because "they have to pay $300 the second they get tossed. That could be a third of their salary."

Ha. Ha. Ha.

This camp is part of the new rating requirement in South Carolina to go to camp once every three years. Not that I really have an issue going to camp, but after this BS I want my money back.

[BlueDevilRef]

Either one of those blowhards your assignor? That would be the only thing is worry about. We should have to take very little crap at all ever and absolutely none during a camp game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I'm at camp this weekend. Second game I have, coach gets first T from one of my partners. I go tableside, and give him the free throws to calm down. Then I inform him he's lost his box for the game. He refuses to sit, and I whack him again after he continues to refuse. Apparently, this camp doesn't want us seatbelting coaches, which we weren't told beforehand. The camp supervisor pleaded with me to take the T away, since this is "our ****ing camp." My clinician asked me to do the same, so I did.

Needless to say, I'm not pleased. I paid to be here, too, just like the teams.

I also had a clinician tell me that, in a regular season game, we need to take "as much crap as possible" from coaches because "they have to pay $300 the second they get tossed. That could be a third of their salary."

Ha. Ha. Ha.

This camp is part of the new rating requirement in South Carolina to go to camp once every three years. Not that I really have an issue going to camp, but after this BS I want my money back.

The OhioHSAA only fines coaches $100 for being ejected. I want to officiate in your state, .

MTD, Sr.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Either one of those blowhards your assignor? That would be the only thing is worry about. We should have to take very little crap at all ever and absolutely none during a camp game.

The SCHSL is a little different in that the twelve "assigners" are only responsible for assigning sub-varsity games, preseason scrimmages, and holiday tournaments. The central office in Columbia assigns all other varsity games, and the only thing those assignments are based upon is your rating.

But, no, my district director is not present at this camp.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The OhioHSAA only fines coaches $100 for being ejected. I want to officiate in your state, .

MTD, Sr.

$500 in VA. I've sent 2 packing in my career. One of them had an ass't AD who is college supervisor. He hired me 2 years later.

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[Pantherdreams]

No fines here but no one except us is getting paid either.

Automatic 1 game suspension along with ejection. Additional sanctions possible at school/conference level.

Repeat offenders can get multi game suspensions imposed by governing body.

Repeat repeat offenders can be suspended for a full year by governing body.

Slate is not wiped clean every year. Offense in previous can be used as evidence/accumulation in following years.

[bballref3966]

Officials that pander to coaches typically end up burying themselves. Like the ones that brag about how few T's they have called in their careers.

I might have walked off the court in your situation. Probably not since I'm still pretty young and need to be at camp, but it would have at least crossed my mind.

And I'm an official in SC, too. If the $300 fine was really that bigga deal to coaches, they would not act like idiots so much.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I also had a clinician tell me that, in a regular season game, we need to take "as much crap as possible" from coaches because "they have to pay $300 the second they get tossed. That could be a third of their salary."

Sometimes I swear that extra punishments like this actually deter officials from making calls that need to be made in their game for exactly the reason the clinician said. "I could have called a second technical on him, but his behavior wasn't bad enough that it deserved sitting two additional games," is one I've heard in my state.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Altor

Sometimes I swear that extra punishments like this actually deter officials from making calls that need to be made in their game for exactly the reason the clinician said. "I could have called a second technical on him, but his behavior wasn't bad enough that it deserved sitting two additional games," is one I've heard in my state.

Some worry about it, some don't. My theory is, the coach is far more aware of additional penalties than I am, so he should be the one to alter HIS behavior to avoid them.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The OhioHSAA only fines coaches $100 for being ejected. I want to officiate in your state, .

MTD, Sr.

You haven't been collecting the other $200 for yourself? You have to read the fine print of the rule.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Altor

Sometimes I swear that extra punishments like this actually deter officials from making calls that need to be made in their game for exactly the reason the clinician said. "I could have called a second technical on him, but his behavior wasn't bad enough that it deserved sitting two additional games," is one I've heard in my state.

The idea that a superstar or a coach can get tossed in the NBA Playoffs with no issue yet some officials don't have the stones to whack a high school coach for acting like a jackass is baffling to me.

Originally Posted by Adam

Some worry about it, some don't. My theory is, the coach is far more aware of additional penalties than I am, so he should be the one to alter HIS behavior to avoid them.

Yep, rather than we being the ones to alter our tolerance level to do him a favor. And in SC especially, the logic makes no sense–coaches' have zero input in our rating system, which determines assignments. No reason to try and be friends with them.

As a clinician at a camp I went to put it: the coach is not our friend. You can play golf with him one day, and the next day he will throw your ass under the bus.

[bballref3966]

Was a great article in July's edition of Referee. Basically took a shot at the idea of using "taking the high road" as an excuse for not taking care of business like you're supposed to.

Pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about the issue.

[illinoisbluezeb]

Had a similar situation at a summer camp a few years ago.
During the regular season the same 2 teams played, with both coaches T'ed, 1 coach ejected, 3 or 4 T's on players.
Following summer 3 of us veteran officials had the camp game. None of us had the regular season game , but were well aware of the situation.
T' ed 2 players (1 each team) for taunting in the 1st 5 minutes of a running clock (2 twenty minute halves). Coaches complaining. Fans yelling.
After 2nd T we saw it wasn't getting better so we called EVERYTHING, any contact was a foul, that game incidental contact was a foul, hell a reach was a foul. Called 25-30 fouls the remaining 15 minutes of the 1st 1/2. The 2nd half was better. We didn't toss anyone (we were told they paid to be there, they always come to the camp) we let them play just not very long between whistles. Probably 3/4 of the points were from fouls, 1 pt and the ball.
We didn't get invited to do their regular season game that winter, but heard the officials took a hint from that afternoon.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by illinoisbluezeb

Had a similar situation at a summer camp a few years ago.
During the regular season the same 2 teams played, with both coaches T'ed, 1 coach ejected, 3 or 4 T's on players.
Following summer 3 of us veteran officials had the camp game. None of us had the regular season game , but were well aware of the situation.
T' ed 2 players (1 each team) for taunting in the 1st 5 minutes of a running clock (2 twenty minute halves). Coaches complaining. Fans yelling.
After 2nd T we saw it wasn't getting better so we called EVERYTHING, any contact was a foul, that game incidental contact was a foul, hell a reach was a foul. Called 25-30 fouls the remaining 15 minutes of the 1st 1/2. The 2nd half was better. We didn't toss anyone (we were told they paid to be there, they always come to the camp) we let them play just not very long between whistles. Probably 3/4 of the points were from fouls, 1 pt and the ball.
We didn't get invited to do their regular season game that winter, but heard the officials took a hint from that afternoon.

So do we.

[JRutledge]

Well I guess it all comes down to why are you there? Our HS camps are for two reasons. One for certification to keep your license and two to get hired if you go to the right camp. If my supervisor is not telling me to do something, then I am not taking back anything.

Peace