Four questions

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BigCat

It's June, and I'm far away from being in "rules mode," but I wouldn't cite 4.44B for 1 and 2. In those plays above the ball is clearly slipping out of the shooter's hands. They are not "trys" under the rules so team control is not lost. 4.44 B allows the player to run and recover a "try", dribble etc because player and team control is lost. That is the basis of that play. So I think it is different than what we see in the OP 1 and 2.

Again, I'm not in rules mode and I know one of the arguments is that when a player jumps to shoot there's language saying he must shoot or pass etc. (he can also call timeout). The play id cite is the one where the player ends his dribble and fumbles it away. He is allowed to go retrieve it. We know that when I end a dribble I'm supposed to pivot, shoot or pass etc.(timeout also). That case play allows the player to go get the ball if it was actually "fumbled." accidental loss of player control.

If the ball slips out of the shooters hands and goes backward---truly a "fumble" ACCIDENTAL why would we not let him go retrieve it? The player who ends the dribble isn't supposed to be able to move the ball to another location on court by himself but we allow it if it was accidental/fumble. Why treat the shooter differently? If it is truly a fumble/accidental. Personally, I'm thinking the ACCIDENTAL nature of the loss of player control is the key not whether the player has ended the dribble or is shooting.

Anyway, this is off top of my head. There may be other plays that i'm not thinking of or interps etc. thx

We agree. Your first paragraph, above, and my references, help set the parameters for the discovery of what is directly pertinent, in the discussions/arguments to which the OP alluded. Most of the discussions regarding the topics at hand, involve the different legal/illegal actions after a fumble, as compared to those following an unsuccessful shot attempt.
Some persons may also differentiate between a fumble by an airborne player and a player in contact with the floor, as well as whether a dribble has occurred, before the loss of ball control, for example, whether the fumble by the airborne player should be considered as the start of a/another dribble, when the player is thereafter, first to touch the ball.