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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 02:42pm
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Tough to pregame blow the whistle. You can say it all you want but...You can get the horrendous stuff but otherwise your partners have to live and die. And just so you know, if you make a bad call the coach is telling your partner he's having a good game but you're from Mars. You just have to referee your area and extend on horrendous stuff. You didn't hire the others and you can't save the world.
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 03:00pm
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Tough to pregame blow the whistle. You can say it all you want but...You can get the horrendous stuff but otherwise your partners have to live and die. And just so you know, if you make a bad call the coach is telling your partner he's having a good game but you're from Mars. You just have to referee your area and extend on horrendous stuff. You didn't hire the others and you can't save the world.
I thought it was rather easy. Though there's a difference between blatantly spelling it out and having your partners feel like they are part of a team they want to work hard for. Sometimes you just have to manage partners more than you do everything else.
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Old Mon May 23, 2016, 09:59pm
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As a wise man on here was known to say, Get in, Get Done, Get Out.

If you held a good pregame but on the floor there is an obvious difference, be sure to switch when you are supposed to and get done and get out unless you are willing/able to adjust to their level.

One last thing, If you believe it when the coach says you are doing great, you have to believe them when they say you suck.
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Old Tue May 24, 2016, 01:43pm
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Well, for better or worse, your own officiating ability will get lumped into the perception of your partner's / crew members officiating ability. If one of your crew is making bad/suspect/incorrect calls and you are making proper calls, then the coaches and players [and fans] will say "those refs are horrible"--they will not tend to separate the two or three of you---your crew will collectively be perceived as "bad refs".
This is one of the banes of officiating.
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Old Tue May 24, 2016, 03:18pm
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Well, for better or worse, your own officiating ability will get lumped into the perception of your partner's / crew members officiating ability. If one of your crew is making bad/suspect/incorrect calls and you are making proper calls, then the coaches and players [and fans] will say "those refs are horrible"--they will not tend to separate the two or three of you---your crew will collectively be perceived as "bad refs".
This is one of the banes of officiating.
And is one of the best reasons to find a core group of guys you like working with and trust (I have 10-15) and try to work games with them whenever possible. I have a smaller group of 4-5 who I always ask first but you can expand your list as needed. If you work in a situation where you are always lumped with random partners....get in, get done, get done.
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Old Tue May 24, 2016, 11:29pm
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And is one of the best reasons to find a core group of guys you like working with and trust (I have 10-15) and try to work games with them whenever possible. I have a smaller group of 4-5 who I always ask first but you can expand your list as needed. If you work in a situation where you are always lumped with random partners....get in, get done, get done.
I've never understood this philosophy and for high school think it's actually a horrible mind-set. Maybe you're an outlier, but those are usually the most difficult people to work with. I have fun working with 98% of my association. Ability level shouldn't be an issue... have fun and carry them.
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Old Wed May 25, 2016, 08:09am
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Only time around here you work with random partners is subvarsity or playoffs. Most varsity games are assigned to crews as most schools here have the AD get officials and its easier to hire a crew than to individually hire each official.
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Old Wed May 25, 2016, 09:08am
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I've never understood this philosophy and for high school think it's actually a horrible mind-set. Maybe you're an outlier, but those are usually the most difficult people to work with. I have fun working with 98% of my association. Ability level shouldn't be an issue... have fun and carry them.
I work about 80% of my games where one of my partners is the same person.

It's comfortable, sure, but I quite enjoy when I'm paired with people I haven't worked with before or not too often.

I disagree with the whole "pregame will fix it" nonsense, though. You can't take someone who won't blow a whistle and get him to blow it with some magical words 30 minutes before gametime.
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Old Tue May 24, 2016, 05:13pm
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Well, for better or worse, your own officiating ability will get lumped into the perception of your partner's / crew members officiating ability. If one of your crew is making bad/suspect/incorrect calls and you are making proper calls, then the coaches and players [and fans] will say "those refs are horrible"--they will not tend to separate the two or three of you---your crew will collectively be perceived as "bad refs".
This is one of the banes of officiating.
Not when you have been around for some time. Coaches tend to know or tend to single you out if you have been seen for some time. Just like when a coach sees a new guy and the other two are veterans have have been working years before in different situations. Maybe if the coach has never seen the three officials in life, but that would only apply if you are working a non-conference game and the teams are far apart from each other that the visiting team is not from the area. Even in those situations it is funny how one of the coaches knows someone on the crew. This might be an area specific thing to, but rarely have I have been in a game were a coach from each team had never seen either of us at some point.

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