Help Request: Inconsistency of Travel Call

[Kansas Ref]

@Adam: no one else here seemed to be confused by the explanatory posts--perhaps you just simply disagree with the threads' concensus--which is fine also.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

@Adam: no one else here seemed to be confused by the explanatory posts--perhaps you just simply disagree with the threads' concensus--which is fine also.

I don't think anyone really understood what you were asking. Is my description above an accurate description of the movement you are seeing?

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

@Adam: no one else here seemed to be confused by the explanatory posts--perhaps you just simply disagree with the threads' concensus--which is fine also.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of this thread. I don't see a consensus, and Adam is just clarifying that this may or may not be a travel as described. Asking for help on an arbitrary(No video and not exactly clear play) call just leaves it open for interpretation. Women/men's basketball is officiated differently. They even have different rules at the college/NBA level. HS is probably the most similar but still has different philosophies on what you should or shouldn't call.

About the only sure conclusion I can come to is they aren't called the same way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

@Adam: no one else here seemed to be confused by the explanatory posts--perhaps you just simply disagree with the threads' concensus--which is fine also.

You have yet to adequately describe the move with anything resembling rule-book terms.

[Kansas Ref]

Hope this clarifies--

A1 (male or female player--though the "action" is most egregious when done by female shooters):

1. A1 catches ball from a pass---both feet are on the court when ball is initially caught. No dribble is done.

2. A1 then hops on both feet (moving them forward from "point A" to "point A + 1)"----this is the small 'hop' I referred to initially. No dribble is done.

3. A1 then lands on both feet @ point A+1--after the small hop, then bends knees and winds up elbows in preparation for release of shot (though the feetwork is what I'm focusing on here, OK). No dribble is done.

4. A1 then jumps and releases the ball for a try (jump-shot).

hop = physically and momentarily leaves the floor for those few milliseconds--no toes touching at all.

I have observed that this action is always called a "travel" in boys/men---yet very very seldom called a "travel" in girls games. This was the key issue I requested help for. Is this a bona fide travel or no?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Hope this clarifies--

A1 (male or female player--though the "action" is most egregious when done by female shooters):

1. A1 catches ball from a pass---both feet are on the court when ball is initially caught. No dribble is done.

2. A1 then hops on both feet (moving them forward from "point A" to "point A + 1)"----this is the small 'hop' I referred to initially. No dribble is done.

3. A1 then lands on both feet @ point A+1--after the small hop, then bends knees and winds up elbows in preparation for release of shot (though the feetwork is what I'm focusing on here, OK). No dribble is done.

4. A1 then jumps and releases the ball for a try (jump-shot).

hop = physically and momentarily leaves the floor for those few milliseconds--no toes touching at all.

I have observed that this action is always called a "travel" in boys/men---yet very very seldom called a "travel" in girls games. This was the key issue I requested help for. Is this a bona fide travel or no?

You're saying that a player caught the ball with both feet on the floor, left the floor and returned them both to the floor?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

You're saying that a player caught the ball with both feet on the floor, left the floor and returned them both to the floor?

Don't be so clear, Rich!

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Don't be so clear, Rich!

* hey Rick & Camron: I forgot to mention that A1 had her anti-gravity Nike hyperdunk shoes on.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Hope this clarifies--

A1 (male or female player--though the "action" is most egregious when done by female shooters):

1. A1 catches ball from a pass---both feet are on the court when ball is initially caught. No dribble is done.

2. A1 then hops on both feet (moving them forward from "point A" to "point A + 1)"----this is the small 'hop' I referred to initially. No dribble is done.

3. A1 then lands on both feet @ point A+1--after the small hop, then bends knees and winds up elbows in preparation for release of shot (though the feetwork is what I'm focusing on here, OK). No dribble is done.

4. A1 then jumps and releases the ball for a try (jump-shot).

hop = physically and momentarily leaves the floor for those few milliseconds--no toes touching at all.

I have observed that this action is always called a "travel" in boys/men---yet very very seldom called a "travel" in girls games. This was the key issue I requested help for. Is this a bona fide travel or no?

All you need is 2 and 3. The rest is irrelevan, especially your reference to a dribble. Just too many red herrings in your story. This is a travel, but there could be a number of reasons it's not called. Might be the catch is too close to the jump it's too difficult to tell. Might be officials are being told through evaluations not to call it. Might be they don't want to make girls cry.

I know I call it when I see it.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

All you need is 2 and 3. The rest is irrelevan, especially your reference to a dribble. Just too many red herrings in your story. This is a travel, but there could be a number of reasons it's not called. Might be the catch is too close to the jump it's too difficult to tell. Might be officials are being told through evaluations not to call it. Might be they don't want to make girls cry.

I know I call it when I see it.

Ha,ha...when the girls start crying they don't stop...(I think u have daughter too). I don't have any issues seeing travel....BUT, as I have said before, it doesn't do the game any good if I'm the only one calling it. As a crew, we've got to get the travels going around a defender and in the post. The millimeter hop on perimeter doesn't give an advantage but it is travel. I've told kids in warmups not to take the hop. That's usually worked for me.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

I've told kids in warmups not to take the hop.

With high school girls, I am more likely to see this in warmups, but it doesn't seem to carry over into the actual game, even when I'm looking for it. Very odd. Very perplexing.