Texas A+M / UNI

[packersowner]

Since the last post seemed to go off topic, I'll try to start something different here.

1. The last possession UNI had in the backcourt, where the player got trapped in the corner. Really tough play to officiate in my opinion. The C came down to help, Trail came across the court to get into position. I think there was a bump that was missed as the UNI player was going out of bounds, but wow, that was intense and hard to call anything one way or the other. Any thoughts on if this could have been handled any differently?

2. I thought this was a good example of a game that demonstrates why advancing the ball to the half court line (as with the NBA) should not be done in college. UNI was definitely constrained by being in the backcourt.

[ballgame99]

Looked like a push by B3 to me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Looked like a push by B3 to me.

Here is some video with this play.


Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is some video with this play.


Peace

Ha, you shouldn't have posted that. We just got Adam and unigiantslayer off the edge of a tall building. Most painful loss I've EVER seen...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Ha, you shouldn't have posted that. We just got Adam and unigiantslayer off the edge of a tall building. Most painful loss I've EVER seen...

I posted what was asked for review. I am actually rather neutral on the call or the situation. I have no issue with a foul not being called.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I posted what was asked for review. I am actually rather neutral on the call or the situation. I have no issue with a foul not being called.

Peace

I know. I was kidding. Not commenting about the play. Our Northern Iowa folks would just as soon forget the game. Tough, tough loss.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is some video with this play.


Peace

I think this is a foul. Even without the push at the end, I think this is the cylinder play NCAA wants called. The video bulletin posted on arbiter several months ago discussed cylinder plays and I still struggle to pick these up. The difference between good trap defense and a foul is tough to distinguish, and for me, the gray area got a lot bigger with the mid season video bulletin.

With that said, I do think this is a foul. First for violating the offensive players cylinder and then for pushing and displacing him.

[Raymond]

I agree about advancing the ball, which is to the 28-foot foot line not division line. That excitement doesn't happen with that rule.

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[IncorrectCall]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I agree about advancing the ball, which is to the 28-foot foot line not division line. That excitement doesn't happen with that rule.

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No, the excitement comes from last second shots to win (which happens much more often than this situation ever will).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IncorrectCall

No, the excitement comes from last second shots to win (which happens much more often than this situation ever will).

Maybe, but there's something to be said for making them earn it (Iowa kid here who had a devastating weekend.)

[Rich]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go_4eGCDF6Q

[Mr.C]

Thanks for the youtube clip of plays together. It helps me to understand why the officials at that level are so good. They call the game consistently throughout. Not bailing out the offense but allowing defenders in good positions to play defense and force offense to earn it. I am guilty of [at least I think I am] giving in to offense for a slight bump on occasion. I also like an earlier post of coaching offense to stand up straight and not even give defense more help by allowing them to close in.

[BigCat]

[QUOTE=packersowner;984806]Since the last post seemed to go off topic, I'll try to start something different here.

1. The last possession UNI had in the backcourt, where the player got trapped in the corner. Really tough play to officiate in my opinion. The C came down to help, Trail came across the court to get into position. I think there was a bump that was missed as the UNI player was going out of bounds, but wow, that was intense and hard to call anything one way or the other. Any thoughts on if this could have been handled any differently?

My post is below:

The player should have stood tall/strong with the ball instead of leaning away and allowing the trap to close/get tighter. He should have stepped through the trap strong. Then maybe there is firm contact and he gets a call. At the very least, throw the ball the length of the floor…..

Traps are hard for us/me because you have multiple hands/bodies to look at. There are also feet involved. I know at times I get too close trying to see the hands and lose track of the feet. I don't think the officials could have done anything different on that play. There was a slight bump but not enough to call imo. The player just didn't handle it right.

[NNJOfficial]

That was a foul on white 3 and should have been called. The stupidity of defenders in that situation always boggles my mind. You have the guy trapped in the corner and you just need to hold your ground and keep your hands up but instead you push and grab and turn an advantage to a foul in many of these situations. Just as we shouldn't hesitate to reward good defense, we also shouldn't hesitate to penalize bad defense that results in a foul. Shame on the C for not making a call there. It looks to me as if he is visually more focused on the offensive player than refereeing the defense.

Just to be clear, the shove at the end is beside the point. The ball handler is repeatedly fouled to the point where he can't maintain his pivot foot and then loses his balance. These things didn't happen on their own. They happened because of the contact by the defense. I don't see how that cannot be a foul.


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