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Old Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:45am
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Yes; I stand by the information as directly credible. The site committee had issues with either the call or the adjudication of the penalty; I have not seen this play and would like to see a clip of it in it's entirety.

As for the "entirety of his work", if I recall correctly, Breeding was involved in another type of "blarge" play in the Play-In game at Dayton, Vanderbilt vs Wichita St.
IMO, having 2 "blarges" in 2 separate games is not a good thing when working the NCAA tournament and hoping to advance. I happen to think Breeding is a very good official who has excellent call selection. Sometimes we as officials have a difficult stretch of calls and he happened to do it on a very big stage with many scrutinizing eyes.


How would I exactly do that? Would you like me to tell you how I know what took place? Reveal the source?

I stand by the history of my posts as being accurate, respectful, and non-combative.
At least now I don't feel so bad for my assessment of him in the play-in game. I just felt like he wasn't all there. I think we've all been there, I know I have.

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Old Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:59am
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Yes; I stand by the information as directly credible. The site committee had issues with either the call or the adjudication of the penalty; I have not seen this play and would like to see a clip of it in it's entirety.

As for the "entirety of his work", if I recall correctly, Breeding was involved in another type of "blarge" play in the Play-In game at Dayton, Vanderbilt vs Wichita St.
IMO, having 2 "blarges" in 2 separate games is not a good thing when working the NCAA tournament and hoping to advance. I happen to think Breeding is a very good official who has excellent call selection. Sometimes we as officials have a difficult stretch of calls and he happened to do it on a very big stage with many scrutinizing eyes.


How would I exactly do that? Would you like me to tell you how I know what took place? Reveal the source?

I stand by the history of my posts as being accurate, respectful, and non-combative.
I wasn't using the phrase as harshly as it sounded there....just as part of a figure of speech.
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Old Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:13am
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Does anyone have video clip of the play early in UCONN/Colorado game?

Lead calls block and Center calls offensive foul at same time when UCONN player was driving to the basket. According to the box score both fouls were reported and UCONN was given the ball for a throw in.
When did this happen?

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When did this happen?

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I just searched the play-by-play for this game. I don't see anything that indicates a double foul was called at any point

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In the play-by-play at the 18:01 mark of the first half you will see fouls called on each team.
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Old Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:09pm
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In the play-by-play at the 18:01 mark of the first half you will see fouls called on each team.
NBC Sports didn't have it. ESPN App has it at 18:02.

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Found the video.....Here you go.



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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:14pm
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Both officials called while moving which is a No-No for most of my supervisors. It was a primary defender coming from the old Center, so I would have liked for him to have had that call. I've been taught not to rotate on an immediate Drive so I would have went back. I think the only double whistle on this play should have been the Trail and Center. The Lead is moving away from where the players are going, there is no way he can have a good look at this play.

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Both officials called while moving which is a No-No for most of my supervisors. It was a primary defender coming from the old Center, so I would have liked for him to have had that call. I've been taught not to rotate on an immediate Drive so I would have went back. I think the only double whistle on this play should have been the Trail and Center. The Lead is moving away from where the players are going, there is no way he can have a good look at this play.

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Agree on all points. At the very least L needs to be aware that this is a drive from outside his primary, and therefore if he puts a whistle on something he needs to hold his preliminary signal.

Also notice how high the T was working at first. That left him with a LOT of ground to cover to get down to the slot, which is why he was moving when the contact occurred. If he starts lower, it's just a step or two to FTLE and he's probably already still by the time contact occurs.

Which leads me to my next point. As a general observation, I have noticed a LOT of rotations that probably haven't been needed this post-season, even with defenses that have been primarily in zone. With a reduced shot clock this year and lots of zone, I'd expect fewer rotations, but it seems like I'm seeing more. Not all crews, but many.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:59pm
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Both officials called while moving which is a No-No for most of my supervisors. It was a primary defender coming from the old Center, so I would have liked for him to have had that call. I've been taught not to rotate on an immediate Drive so I would have went back. I think the only double whistle on this play should have been the Trail and Center. The Lead is moving away from where the players are going, there is no way he can have a good look at this play.

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Good points. The problem with the Trail (Hess) was his direct line of view of the crash was obscured by #4 blue. He may have had a partial view of the crash but it most likely was not an open look. The Center (Hull) moved up on the rotation of the Lead (Breeding); it would have been optimal if Hull stayed as the C when he recognized the offensive player's drive to the goal. The problem I have with the L making a call that high near the FT line is there is a secondary defender (#40 white) in the RA; #3 white is a primary defender and should be left to the C & T to officiate.

JRut, could you look to see if the crew put the shot clock back to 13 seconds when play resumed? In the case of a "blarge" without a try for goal, the POI is possession of the offensive team with no reset of the shotclock.
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