Spin move. You make the call.... (Video)

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

It's a travel...but it's razor close so it would be tough to catch in real time. This player is extremely quick and athletic and is probably capable of pulling it off legally.

When is the last time you saw this move, slowed it down, and found it to be legal?

As a player, it is awkward and unnatural to "delay" the gather long enough to avoid traveling.

[BryanV21]

If I can't describe the travel using rule book terminology, like talking about the pivot foot and what it did, then I don't like to make the call. If a coach wants to know what the player did, what do I say? "It looked weird"?

[BillyMac]

Travel. Plays like this are the ones that I have the most trouble with. I doubt that I would have called it a travel in real time in my high school game. Not because of some accepted philosophy, but because I would have just missed it.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

.... my Achilles heel is traveling, not at at the start of the dribble (easy peasey lemon squeezy), but at the end of dribble, when dribbler comes to an odd jump stop transitioning into the act of shooting.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

If I can't describe the travel using rule book terminology, like talking about the pivot foot and what it did, then I don't like to make the call. If a coach wants to know what the player did, what do I say? "It looked weird"?

You really can't describe why a spin like this is a travel? It's the same as any other...the player just spins while committing the violation.

[thedewed]

No way this is a travel the way the game is played today. when a player is gathering, unless it is clear it is completely in control and possessed, gathered, with the pivot foot down, in this case the right foot, you don't call it. If you aren't 100% sure on a travel call, you shouldn't call it.

Another example, as a player is going out to the wing to catch a pass, if he is catching going away from the basket, then turns and faces the basket, it's always going to be close to a travel for the same reason. If you are good at calling this a travel, you won't last long.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by thedewed

No way this is a travel the way the game is played today. when a player is gathering, unless it is clear it is completely in control and possessed, gathered, with the pivot foot down, in this case the right foot, you don't call it.

It is a travel, whether it's called, or not, is another question.

BryanV21 does a nice job explaining why it is, indeed, a travel:

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Looks like his right foot was down when he gathered the ball, he picked it up to spin on his left, then put his right foot back down before going up for the shot... travel.

As I posted earlier, I probably would have missed the travel in real time, but that doesn't make it a legal move, just another screw-up by yours truly.

Originally Posted by thedewed

If you aren't 100% sure on a travel call, you shouldn't call it.

Agree.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

As I posted earlier, I probably would have missed the travel in real time, but that doesn't make it a legal move, just another screw-up by yours truly.

I'll join that club, as I probably would have missed it too. Slow motion rules.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Slow motion rules.

Said the young gun to the much older, veteran, experienced, official. Thanks for the compliment. And if I officiate a few more years, I bet that I can go a lot slower than I do presently.

[JeffM]

Unless there have been travels on similar plays earlier in the day, I wouldn't call a travel. For me, I am not certain that it isn't going to be a spin dribble rather than a spin-catch-and-shoot until both hands are on the ball which I don't see until both feet are in the air.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by JeffM

Unless there have been travels on similar plays earlier in the day, I wouldn't call a travel. For me, I am not certain that it isn't going to be a spin dribble rather than a spin-catch-and-shoot until both hands are on the ball which I don't see until both feet are in the air.

As soon as you know he's not dribbling though...

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

You really can't describe why a spin like this is a travel? It's the same as any other...the player just spins while committing the violation.

It's a general statement regarding a traveling call. I actually described this play in my initial post in this thread.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

When is the last time you saw this move, slowed it down, and found it to be legal?

Thankfully we are officiating at real speed and I don't put air in the whistle just cause "it had to be a travel and I bet it is if we watch it in slow motion."

Thank goodness it's that way. I'd prefer fewer travels in games, not more.

[Mr.C]

I'd be in full agreement with a "fewer travel" movement

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Mr.C

I'd be in full agreement with a "fewer travel" movement

That movement is alive and well. I'd guess that about 30% off travels are actually called during a BV game.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Rich

Thankfully we are officiating at real speed and I don't put air in the whistle just cause "it had to be a travel and I bet it is if we watch it in slow motion."

Thank goodness it's that way. I'd prefer fewer travels in games, not more.

My point was that, if every time you slow it down it is a travel, maybe we should learn from that and adjust how we see them at live speed.